The Ultimate "On Their Day XI"

The episode starts as we discuss the main Balls Ups Of The Week, including Meslier and of course Spurs. 
A game of football "Would You Rather" centers around the world of goalkeepers, with Emi Martinez taking center stage. A lively debate ensues as we compare Martinez to other top keepers from leagues worldwide, including Nick Pope, Ederson and more. 
Finally, we build the ultimate "on their day XI".

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:21

Hello and welcome back to another episode of Talking. A Load Of Bulls, hell yeah. How are we everyone?

Speaker 2 0:28

Yeah, not bad man. Yeah, it's been a hectic weekend and stuff, but apart from that, all good.

Speaker 1 0:34

You're living the dream. Joe's a bit of a shell.

Speaker 3 0:39

Slight shell. Yeah Went to watch West Ham Ipswich on saturday, which was uh good fun, and then, um, yeah went to the nfl yesterday. So new york jets versus minnesota vikings. So yeah vikings won, which we were disappointed about because we were we were jets fans for the day.

Speaker 1 0:57

But there you go, my knowledge of nfl is not not very good, I'll be honest yeah, me neither.

Speaker 3 1:05

I do love it, but it's taken me like years almost to get into with all the rules and everything like that, so it's good fun, but yeah, I just can't deal with the stop start.

Speaker 1 1:14

It's so stop start yeah.

Speaker 2 1:16

I get that all the advertisements and commercials, all that malarkey and bollocks.

Speaker 1 1:20

It's just a bit ridiculous but to be fair, the atmosphere before on your story looked pretty mad, to be fair yeah, it was class, but I do get how it wouldn't translate as well to Europe.

Speaker 3 1:31

It's obviously getting bigger, but I get why people would you've just got to like you've just got to live with the adverse and everything like that and embrace it. But I get why, like a first time watcher, archer would be like this is a bit of a nausea.

Speaker 1 1:45

Mate, how did Sam end up with a flare there, by the way?

Speaker 3 1:49

So we jokingly said because we went to this tailgate with the New York Jets fans before, which is good fun. To be fair, they were like, oh, should we all walk together to the ground? And I thought, well, it's probably not going to be that lively, so I'm not really that bothered. But then they were like, oh no, come on. And I said, Sam, it would be jokes if they had flares, wouldn't it Like thinking there's not a chance, and literally walking down the street they're dishing them out. I've got videos of them.

Speaker 1 2:12

It was class.

Speaker 3 2:13

Singing songs. It was really good actually.

Speaker 1 2:15

Fair play, then they gave it a good go.

Speaker 3 2:18

Yeah, big time. So the Jets only have one song, which is J-E-T-S.

Speaker 1 2:24

Chelsea, Chelsea, Chelsea.

Speaker 3 2:25

Yeah, they're the Chelsea of the NFL. It's J-E-T-S Jets, jets, jets. Yeah, it actually is. Then yeah, literally. But we were obviously a lot of Brits there, so we were making up our own songs and stuff. The Americans were mind-blown by it.

Speaker 1 2:41

It's like what, loving it by it? Pretty funny. So what, yeah, loving it, that's class, I love it. Good stuff, though, and Chalks.

Speaker 2 2:46

You just had a busy one yeah, man, renovating the house long good vibes, stupid panelling just take about a billion years. And then when the walls aren't straight, it makes even worse yeah, it does and then the team's rubbish as well oh yeah, it's

Speaker 2 3:03

even worse but the thing is I was so busy doing the house I didn't really actually watch the game, so I'm just kind of blessing the disguise, blessing the disguise. Yeah, all I heard was that we smoked them first half and then second half. We got so complacent and just let them do their thing, chalks.

Speaker 1 3:21

All I'm going to say is more on that later. Oh yeah, gosh. Right then Chalks, what time is it? It's bars above the week right, they are getting better Chalkalks as we go. So, Joe, tell me, talk to me.

Speaker 3 3:49

Yeah, I'll kick things off because I imagine there's going to be a bit of a biggie coming up. So mine, to be fair, it was a biggie in itself. So Friday night, sunderland versus Leeds maybe not literally top of the table, I don't know, but definitely top of the end of the championship clash Two really good sides. Leeds maybe not literally top of the table, I don't know, but definitely top of the end of the championship clash Two really good sides, leeds winning 2-1 in 90 plus 3 or 4. I'm just checking now.

Speaker 3 4:12

Yeah, the actual time More or less like last kind of kick of the game 90 plus 7. 90 plus 7. There you go. Sunderland player tries to put a bit of a ball in the box. It's a pretty poor attempt. It's an easy catch for Mellier in goal and he just lets it run by him. It was a real stinker.

Speaker 2 4:34

I still don't understand how it happens Sorry. I don't understand how it happens.

Speaker 3 4:41

That's 999 times out of 1,000. He gets that, that and he's at one. He's fluffed it. But I also didn't like there was a junior furpo left back for lead, stormed down the tunnel and I felt that was. I think everyone should be going up to the keeper there because he's generally pretty decent. I think they should be going up to him and consoling him, in my opinion. So I think that was a double balls up there, that's's not a good team they were.

Speaker 2 5:05

That's poor sportsmanship. I think you want to console your team. I guess Made a mistake. You didn't do it on purpose, or did he Exactly?

Speaker 3 5:12

Or did he yeah? But, rumours are he had Sunderland's or draw. I was going to say check your bet slips.

Speaker 1 5:18

Double chance, yeah, no, that's bad that, joe.

Speaker 3 5:24

I was surprised I didn't know Sunderland were doing so well, you know yeah, they look a real side, to be fair, so we played them in the week. Derby got quite comfortably turned over 2-0. Not that that's like the big test for them, but I did watch them and I thought they looked pretty good. Actually, joe Bellingham, like I know, he's been obviously in his brother's shadow a little bit just because of how amazing he is, but he's actually a right player as well.

Speaker 1 5:47

He's got a screen ring as well. He was linked with some I think it was Brentford and Brighton in the summer.

Speaker 3 5:58

He won't be a championship player in the next few years, whether that's with Sunderland or whether that's a move away, because he looks like a real player.

Speaker 1 6:05

Solid player. Fair play to him. Yeah, that is 90 plus 7. That is howlers, mate Howlers.

Speaker 2 6:13

Is that how he's feeling as well, man?

Speaker 1 6:17

Well, it depends if he did have it in his bed slip or not.

Speaker 2 6:21

I've had stinkers as a goalkeeper when I was younger, and I'm pretty sure I've had stinkers as a goalkeeper when I was younger and I'm pretty sure I've done something similar like that and it's not a nice feeling.

Speaker 3 6:28

It's not. I watched the overlap with Peter Schmeichel in it and he's talked about actually the best players. It separates the good and the great how you react to a mistake. So, yeah, that'll be a bit of a mark. If he drops another Klanger next game, then maybe he's not reactive, but that'll be a bit of a mark if he, uh, if he drops another clangor next game, then maybe he's uh not reactive.

Speaker 1 6:47

But I'll be honest, I think he's had quite a few like howlers in the past and he seems to keep going.

Speaker 3 6:53

So I think he, I think earlier on he did. I mean, obviously I'm not a leeds fan, quite the opposite. But the um, I think at the start he was a bit questioned and then actually he was pretty solid. I think even the premier was a goalie. He was a bit questioned and then actually he was pretty solid.

Speaker 2 7:04

I think Even in the Premier League he was a goalie. He was 19 years old when he started playing for them, so he was a young goalkeeper.

Speaker 3 7:10

Yeah, yeah, for sure, do you know what I mean. I'm, again, not a massive Leeds fan but to be fair, he's a pretty decent goalie overall, Decent enough.

Speaker 1 7:20

Still a ball's up enough. It is still a ball. It's a big ball though. It is Right, chalks onwards.

Speaker 2 7:27

Yeah, man Right. The next one is young James Ward-Pras against Chelsea on the weekends, which I didn't realise. He played for Nottingham Forest. When did that go through?

Speaker 1 7:40

I think it was deadline day. I think it was deadline day, I think it was deadline day.

Speaker 2 7:43

I think it was deadline day. He's on loan now, isn't he?

Speaker 1 7:46

Yeah, yeah, mental he's dropped off boy Should never have left Southampton. Mate Grass is not always greener, do you see?

Speaker 3 7:52

Yeah, but you know Good, sign in for it. I know obviously messed up this week.

Post-Match Analysis and Future Prospects

Speaker 1 7:59

But overall, annoyingly, it's a pretty decent sign in for Forrest. Yeah, I was going to say Fugio.

Speaker 2 8:03

He was not happy. So what he'd done was he kind of slipped and Nicholas Jackson was on the way, looked like he was through at goal, and then decided to snatch the ball with his hands.

Speaker 1 8:15

Literally just grabbed it. The best bit about it was he just stood up, walked off the pitch, he didn't even look.

Speaker 2 8:20

Yeah, because he knew, he knew, and fair enough. I think he didn't even like it. Yeah, because he knew he knew, fair enough. I think a lot of people would do the same and look, they got a point out of it still, because they were able to firm it.

Speaker 3 8:32

But Gerrard should have learned mate Taking tips Too soon, straff Too soon, too soon. So I didn't actually see this. Obviously, I was out and about on Saturday. What was the score in the game and what minute was it?

Speaker 1 8:47

it was 1-0 in like the 68th minute, I think. Let me check. And was he going one on one, jackson? I reckon there was cover, I reckon cover.

Speaker 2 8:55

I don't think so.

Speaker 1 8:56

He and he's rapid he is rapid, he is rapid I reckon he would have been through and gone and probably missed 78th you had a good 12 minutes and extra time to try and squeeze a goal. I don't know how we didn't win that.

Speaker 2 9:17

But I tell you what Cole Palmer's turn Did. I flick, oh, flick, that's it. Oh, my goodness. Mate obscene, Obscene I don't know how he does it.

Speaker 1 9:26

He's so good, but I just oh, I don't know how he didn't win. It's two points dropped for sure.

Speaker 3 9:32

But, mate, for us to look decent this year I don't know if you can cover your ears, but for us to look decent this year, like some good annoyingly, they've got some really good players that Maria centre-half really good Gibbs-White Surely Gibbs-White's pushing for a move, maybe because he's such a good player, mate there was one bit with Gibbs-White.

Speaker 1 9:52

he literally just ran straight for our team and I was just looking at him. I was like what, yeah, he's close. I was actually mugging Forrest off when they spent so much on him, but he's actually turned out to be a good player for him, to be fair yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 10:06

What happened with all?

Speaker 2 10:07

the, the slams, oh mate referees oh my god, right.

Speaker 1 10:15

Nico Williams, yeah, kicks a ball past Cucurella and runs after it. Cucurella like blows him and he gets the ball's going harmlessly out of play. Cucurella's in front of him. Nico Williams just pushes Cucurella into Maresca. Maresca's flying over Maresca, falls over Cucurella's on the deck right, so it all kicks off.

Speaker 3 10:36

Cucurella gets booked and Nico Williams gets booked wait, why didn't Kukere try and help up his manager? He literally just started complaining immediately.

Speaker 1 10:51

He was on the deck, to be fair.

Speaker 2 10:55

Then he jumped up and started moaning and screaming and whatever. And then you just see Colwell just stomp over and start gripping him.

Speaker 1 11:02

I rate that though, back your teammate, you know.

Speaker 2 11:05

Yeah, for sure. I mean he got shafted, but it's fine.

Speaker 1 11:08

No, he did not. He got shafted.

Speaker 2 11:11

I think it was actually that Mitch absolutely just went and he was trying to move and he weren't moving.

Speaker 1 11:18

I couldn't believe it. I was fuming. But yeah, no it. But yeah, nah, it was definitely points dropped, definitely points dropped. But moving on to more points dropped, yeah, it's not good. It's not good, mate, is it?

Speaker 2 11:33

like I said, I'm glad I didn't get to watch the game because I know I'd have absolute head loss.

Speaker 1 11:38

So I honestly yeah, the first half I was actually fuming how comfortable it was for you. I was like this is mental. Brighton are actually a decent team and you actually did a job on them.

Speaker 2 11:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:51

And then the second half came out. You could tell straight away it was like a bit of a different game, but still you were in control.

Speaker 2 12:00

And then what was the turning point? Did the players look complacent? Or they were just because, like I'm not being funny, like defensively, if you go through it, like individually, I like maybe I'm being biased, but I think they're very good. But what I'm hearing is that obviously Udogi was the problem for two of the goals dead.

Speaker 2 12:24

Really bad game for him, really, and I think he's. The thing is, when he's on form, he's unbelievable, but if he plays slightly bad, he is shit. Do you know what I mean? He gets caught out positioned like he goes because he's supposed to be this inverted wing back, yeah, and pushing up and being in the centre, mid role, but I feel like he loses the ball quite often.

Speaker 1 12:49

I think the first goal. I kind of felt a bit sorry for him because, like I think the ball got crossed in and I don't know who it was there was a defender in front of him and it looked like he was going to clear it, but he didn't, and so it kind of just came at him and he's just not connected at all. And it looked like he was going to clear it but he didn't, and so it kind of just came at him and he's just not connected at all and it's just gone to Minta and he's just smashed it. It was a nice finish, to be fair.

Speaker 2 13:14

It's just one of them ones. I think it's just like Mate the thing is you lot.

Speaker 3 13:19

Go on, it's like inevitable, Like a goal goes in and you're just like they're going to crumble yeah, it feels like a bit of a mentality, I think, because what immediately came to mind for me was that did you both watch the Leicester game? Was it the first game of the season for Spurs?

Speaker 3 13:32

second game for Spurs, yeah yeah, yeah, and you absolutely peppered. I know it's Leicester and they're not. It was mad. And then something just flicked in the game for no reason and then they were kind of all over you a bit and then obviously equalised. So that's five points dropped that body went clear again as well. He did, yeah, but Vardy missed a really good chance. It was a good save from Vicario.

Speaker 2 13:53

So that's five points dropped there, and it must be so frustrating as a Spurs fan oh, 100% the same breath, where we're so used to it kind of being that way for quite a few times. It's like we'll play, we'll, we'll battle teams and then it'll just come back and then bite us in the ass because we think we're so good and then bottle it. Do you know what I?

Speaker 1 14:15

mean it's so annoying, just you're just numb to the pain now honestly, man, and the thing is doesn't make it Obviously.

Speaker 2 14:22

I think the way we do play and when we play well, it's exciting and it's fun to watch, but obviously it has its downfalls.

Speaker 1 14:34

I think Sandra's wrong man to say this whole second season. You win the trophy.

Speaker 2 14:41

I was going to say that as well, but you've got to believe in your own source in the day.

Speaker 3 14:48

Yeah, but just feels like putting a lot of pressure on though, doesn't it? Are you still in the League Cup? Yeah, I think so yeah.

Speaker 1 14:58

Yeah, you nearly lost that. You nearly got knocked out by Coventry, didn't you? That's it. Yeah, it lost, though you nearly got knocked out by Coventry didn't you that's it.

Speaker 3 15:04

Oh yeah, it feels like you get to later rounds and it's going to be like well, if you lose, he's going to get questioned straight away. Oh, you've got two trophies, now you can win, or do you know? What I mean so yeah, I don't know if it was the wisest thing to say personally, but I get what you no way.

Speaker 1 15:21

Europa League, maybe, maybe who else is in?

Speaker 3 15:25

who are the other top teams in the Europa League?

Speaker 1 15:27

well, the only thing is oh Christ my mind's, do the? Do the Champions League clubs drop down anymore?

Speaker 2 15:34

no, no, hmm, I could so we're favourites to win the Europa League. How mental is that? By the way?

Speaker 1 15:44

I'm just checking what teams are in it.

Speaker 2 15:49

So my mentality is, joe, is that if we win at least one trophy, if then we're up in life.

Speaker 3 16:01

Yeah, it's a successful season. Yeah, 100% Shall we? It don't matter, we're like where we've been in life.

Speaker 2 16:03

Yeah, it's a successful season. Yeah, 100% Shall be. It don't matter. We're like where we've been in the last what 10 years of like, like getting close and then dropping off and then getting close.

Speaker 1 16:12

A bit more than that mate.

Speaker 2 16:17

Yeah, maybe more you know yeah.

Speaker 1 16:20

Right, mate, to be fair, the teams aren't good. Mate. To be fair, the teams aren't good. There's Lazio, lyon, spurs, I don't even know FCSB, stalbukarest Okay. Anderlecht, ajax, frankfurt, galatasaray. Ozyman's going to kill you. Midgetland, slavia, prague.

Speaker 2 16:39

Midgetland.

Speaker 1 16:43

Athletic.

Speaker 2 16:44

Bilbao. Decent team. To be fair, what's?

Speaker 1 16:45

his name Inaki Williams no, joe's going to kill you. Fenerbahce, mourinho's going to do it.

Speaker 2 16:51

I don't know.

Speaker 3 16:52

I don't know what I think Lyon are good as well actually they are and they aren't.

Speaker 1 16:56

They're a weird team man very weird like that 8th in.

Speaker 3 17:01

League 1. They feel like they could hurt you, though.

Speaker 2 17:04

Yeah, one off for sure, let's have a look. Who have we got?

Speaker 3 17:07

Yeah, I mean, I can see why Spurs are favourites, united 21st at the moment.

Speaker 2 17:12

So we've got AZ Alkmaar, then Galatasaray, then Roma, then Rangers, hoffenheim, elfsborg and that's it.

Speaker 1 17:25

Mate, elfsborg and that's it mate Elfsborg just beat Roma, to be fair yeah, but Roma are poor man.

Speaker 2 17:32

Yeah, they are yeah.

Speaker 3 17:34

Porto not bad yeah that's a winnable competition, to be fair and then the FA Cup is kind of down to how hard will the top? Well, really, how hard will the top couple, how hard will City and Arsenal go? Because really, if you play City in the semis and the final you've got to say they'll probably beat you.

Speaker 1 17:57

We said that about United last year in the final.

Speaker 3 18:00

We do, but City should have still won to be fair. But no, it's a good point. Look, spurs could win. Any could beat anyone in the Premier League on one given day. Proved that over the last few years beating City at the Etihad and obviously United away the other day. So you absolutely could. I just let's see.

Speaker 1 18:16

Basically, yeah, no fair.

Speaker 2 18:19

I just think at the moment Spurs are like they're just inconsistent, Because that would have been our sixth game in a row, but we won.

Speaker 3 18:29

But obviously Sure. It's a question what would be a like, realistically, what would be a really successful season, like league position and obviously, which trophy or trophies, maybe, or maybe it's a bit ambitious Charmy, yeah, maybe it's a bit ambitious.

Speaker 2 18:46

Charmy. Yeah, maybe it's a bit ambitious, one at a time. Yeah. So you've got to think about progression, really, don't you? So like from where we were last year, was what fifth or sixth, fifth? Fifth, yeah, fifth. So naturally, if if we were, obviously we're not going to win the league. So if we got one, we got better than fifth this year. But if we didn't and won a trophy, I still think it would be just as good yeah, an FA Cup in the fifth place again.

Speaker 3 19:15

I don't think anyone could go.

Speaker 2 19:17

Spurs are underachieved there because there's some good sides obviously in the league still exactly, or even the league still Exactly, or even for me, because, yeah, I mean, even if it was fifth again and a Cowboy Cup for me, personally, I think that's still. We're still like we haven't dropped from the progression in a sense of the league. It's kind of maintained, but we've won a trophy, which is the whole point of the game.

Speaker 3 19:46

I agree with that. I think you can't put a price on and obviously I've got no experience of this at all but like johnny going to wembley lifting the trophy, like you've won, something like I don't think you can put a price on that in terms of, like, what it does to the, the club and the team, um, so I I agree with you, to be fair we'll see just typical Spurs mate the worst.

Speaker 1 20:08

One of the lot was sacking Mourinho before final.

Speaker 2 20:13

I'll never never understand it me neither, but really and truly we weren't going to win either way mate, you got a chance with Mourinho, with Ryan Mason.

Speaker 1 20:23

You've not yeah, I know, I know, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 20:26

It's just it's just mental. I don't understand why he done it no, I don't either. I've no idea probably just like a. What do you call it? Just getting the excuses in early yeah, or getting high and mighty, you know chucking Mourinho off his high horse.

Speaker 1 20:44

I don't know yeah fair. Do you know what I mean? It is what it is Right.

Speaker 3 20:49

Can we also very, very quickly give a shout out to DatGuyWelbs, because Absolutely flying by the way 34,. He's hit a right purple patch and he's a fair man.

Speaker 1 20:59

Absolutely flying you flying that? Was good yeah they're saying big up to them fair play yeah, absolutely alright, joe, we're going to move on, who can we have another shout out yeah for Brendan Johnson 6-6.

Speaker 2 21:17

What a bloke hit form to be fair to him what a bloke good finish I've been in my ultimate team on FIFA gosh, I like him now.

Speaker 3 21:26

he's what a bloke. Good finish. I've been in my ultimate team on FIFA. Gosh, I like him now.

Goalkeeper Comparison

Speaker 1 21:30

He's at Spurs as well, yes, get it. Idiots galore, right, joe, we're moving on to your. Would you Rather round? So we said obviously you did me and Chalks last week. Yeah, the only difference is you did do like players linked to our clubs. Yeah, you did say last week not to do a derby player, so I haven't yeah, just because I don't think people would really relate to it, I've gone really rogue love it, but I think it's quite a good one at the same time. So I've done Emmy Martinez for Aston.

Speaker 3 22:05

Villa. I like that, so my would you rather player is Emi Martinez.

Speaker 1 22:08

Emi Martinez Chalks. Obviously we're allowed to chip in as well, but Joe gets first dibs on the answer. Yeah, okay, Right, we're going to start off quite slow. And I've got to get his name up. It's Georgie Mamadashvili, you know, I've got to get his name up. It's Georgie Mamadashvili, you know the. Georgian goalie, so we've got him first. Yes, just sign for Liverpool.

Speaker 3 22:32

I actually think he's a bit of a cat, to be fair, but look, Martinez, there's not that many better than him. Actually, in my opinion, he's a really good goalie. Well essential to the World Cup as well, yeah, has he won back-to-back Copa Americas as well?

Speaker 1 22:47

and he's been like. The thing is, he's not just like oh, he's there, he's been like pivotal as well, so absolutely and obviously for Villa Villa.

Speaker 3 22:55

He's a big part of their success. So yeah, for that, definitely, martinez, but shout out to the Georgian goalie.

Speaker 2 23:03

What's the name? Mama Delechili, mama Dashvili, mama Dashvili. What a player, by the way.

Speaker 1 23:08

Mate out of the Euros. He was insane, he's great Liverpool manager. He becomes a top goalkeeper there you go, liverpool fans are hoping he does as well, you know.

Speaker 2 23:17

Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 23:18

So, George, are you Martinez? I'm still with me. I'm still with me. Agreed, Right moving on to Premier League goalie Nick Pope.

Speaker 3 23:32

I think it's easy, but Pope is Pope should be better than he is now, shouldn't he?

Speaker 2 23:38

Yes.

Speaker 3 23:39

Yeah, maybe I think he's still a good goalie, but it's got to be Martinez.

Speaker 1 23:44

Yeah, I agree. What I found mad was when he was doing all these bits at Burnley and then he got the move to Newcastle. I didn't realise how old he was, I thought he was like well, I thought he was just a youngster at Burnley, kind of came out of nowhere, but he was actually like I think he's now what, 28, 29?

Speaker 3 24:03

Oh yeah, but for a goalie, that's still.

Speaker 1 24:05

Yeah, it's one of those ones where, like now, it's normal because he's quite big and stuff and established, but no, he's 32 actually, to be fair, but still young. But I think when he was at Burnley I was like, oh, this is like he's. I think he must have been about 28, 29 then.

Speaker 3 24:20

Then, to be fair, yeah, in fairness, I thought he was like 22 at Burnley. That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 24:24

yeah, yeah, yeah so it's mad but fair all right, so we're taking Martinez again yeah, chokes, correct, correct, correct.

Speaker 3 24:34

Right that's true, and bad.

Speaker 2 24:35

I think Nick Pope is just a bit lethargic.

Speaker 1 24:38

I think he's too big, he's got a mistake in him.

Speaker 3 24:43

You know he's been injured as well. To give him a little bit of slack true, true, right.

Speaker 1 24:49

Number three is a weird one because not the most well known name, but come off the back of an insane season and it's Lucas Heradecki, from Bayer Leverkusen yeah, I actually think he's probably been quite good for quite a while, yeah, but just not very well known, is he?

Speaker 3 25:10

Do you know what? He's maybe been at a level not at Martinez's peak. He's maybe, weirdly, been at a level for longer than Martinez has in his career, and that is a maybe, because I don't know that for sure, but I think he's been a really good performer for them for quite a while. But it's got to be Martinez.

Speaker 1 25:27

I'm just thinking through, like how long I've played ultimate team and how long he's always been at Bayer.

Speaker 3 25:32

Leverkusen as well sure yeah, yeah, and they've always been like a solid enough side. So shout out to him, because is he Finland's goalie? He's finished yeah, 34 okay, yeah, he's a really solid keeper, right.

Speaker 1 25:47

So he was at Frankfurt in 2015. Yeah, played there for three years and then went to Bayer Leverkusen 2018. So seven years not bad. This is his seventh season no, really solid, martinus. Martinus, still that makes sense, right, a bit of a weird one. We're easing up to the big ones, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 26:12

Vicario from Spurs easily, martinus easily, probably the easiest one. Yeah, really I think Vicario's a little bit overrated, to be honest fair enough, fair enough that's wrong.

Speaker 2 26:25

He's not overrated at, to be honest, fair enough, fair enough, that's wrong. He's not overrated at all At all. Shot stopping unbelievable when he wants to. Distribution is very good as well, much better than Lloris, than we had before. No, he's pretty good. You don't even know how good his distribution is.

Speaker 1 26:41

All you know is he's a shit-ass very good at shortstopping as well, by the way yeah, I think Vicario's better than him. Sorry, that's mental what shortstopping guaranteed he's better than Emi Martinez yeah, for me absolutely 100% are you saying you take Vicario over Martinez?

Speaker 2 27:03

no, because all round Martinez is better, but shortstopping 100% he's better.

Speaker 1 27:07

You said shortstopping because all round Martinez is better, but shot stopping 100% he's better. You said shot stopping and distribution Vicario is better so Martinez is just no.

Speaker 2 27:11

I said distribution, he's very good, I didn't say he's better but you said you don't know about Martinez's distribution yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 27:21

We were just talking about Vicario you're waffling no, you haven't right, so you would take Martinez. So you would take Martinez no, I'm taking Beccario. Joe's frozen because he's about to leave. He's not even frozen, he's just disbelief.

Speaker 2 27:45

I mean, listen, I think we're all entitled to our opinions in the day, lads, and you know we certainly are. And I think we're all entitled to our opinions in the day, lads, and you know, and I think Joe's yours wrong, so you may go on, is Vicario a top five goalie in the Prem. I'd say he's top five in the Prem.

Speaker 1 28:04

to be fair, He'd be pushing it if not. Yeah, I'm just trying to think. I can't really think off the top of my head, right now.

Speaker 3 28:11

I mean, maybe I'm probably doing him a disservice here. He is pretty good, but I think, Martinez, is comfortably better.

Speaker 2 28:23

They're not even on the same level, in my opinion, anyway. So no, yeah but it because I think he's a loser.

Speaker 1 28:27

His head's absolutely gone.

Speaker 2 28:29

No, it hasn't actually Right. What can you do to talk waffle?

Speaker 1 28:35

Right England's number one, jordan Pickford.

Speaker 2 28:40

Oh, it's got to be Martinez For a split second there, Joe, I thought you were going to go for Pickford there. I didn't.

Speaker 3 28:46

I was about to leave. No, that would be fair for you to leave now. I actually think. Pickford for England. I think he's been really solid. But even internationally Martin has been better because he's won stuff. He's won stuff, yeah, and contributed, so it's actually just a no-brainer.

Speaker 1 29:00

No-brainer, no-brainer.

Speaker 3 29:01

I do quite like Pickford yeah fair, fair, fair.

Speaker 1 29:06

Alright, I was going to go down another one, but let's do one more, because he's a very good goalie, jan Sommer.

Speaker 3 29:14

I think he's a bit underrated. He's very underrated. He's a very good keeper. He's an absolute cat. I do actually like him. You know, martinez is just probably. He probably is like in the top five goalies in the world at the moment. Though, yeah, honestly, right.

Speaker 1 29:31

Yeah, ganes is just probably. He probably is like in the top five goalies in the world at the moment though, yeah, honestly Right, yeah, I mean I would still do that, but I think Tomer is very underrated to be fair.

Speaker 3 29:36

No, he is, and he never got like the big move. He went to Bayern for a bit when Neuer was injured. It was a bomb, yeah, so Killed him, yeah, but he had another one like at a high level for a lot of years.

Speaker 1 29:50

He was at Inter now. Wasn't he Inter now doing well yeah?

Speaker 3 29:54

Okay, that's closer than we think, maybe, but I think it's still Martinez yeah yeah, agreed, right interesting, now we're spicing it up a bit Okay.

Speaker 1 30:04

David Rea yeah.

Speaker 3 30:05

David Rea, I think it's still comfortably Martinez I mean I agree, but you've got to admire it. At the moment he's doing it for Arsenal he's not done it for long enough to be better than Martinez. But tell you what, right this second he's not a million miles. Right this second he's not a million miles off him. But I would still go, Martinez.

Speaker 1 30:32

We're doing this now. This is like current.

Speaker 3 30:37

Yeah, I would still go Martinez. I still think Martinez is performing well, but Raya has actually been unbelievable this season. I think he's better than Vicario.

Speaker 1 30:47

Yeah, fair, yeah, he is Fair. Wait a minute Chalks. What do you think?

Speaker 2 30:55

I agree with Joe.

Speaker 1 30:58

I got it from there.

Speaker 2 31:00

Thank you, and everyone else can see it now, so it's not me just nodding to you, fair, fair fair Right, psg Gianluigi Donnarumma.

Speaker 1 31:19

He's got his PSG half-zip on as well, so I quite like Donnarumma Won the.

Speaker 3 31:22

Euros. Yeah, I do think he's pretty good. Actually, Would Villa swap him Probably not. I'd say no yeah. Would, PSG swap. Maybe they'd consider it. So I'm going to say Martin is based on that logic.

Speaker 1 31:39

I like the logic.

Speaker 3 31:40

Yeah, that's good logic, yeah, but I actually think Donnarumma is like he might be a tad underrated.

Speaker 1 31:46

Actually, I actually think he was like this yeah, when he was younger, and now he's kind of just like Blassoed a bit. I feel like he hasn't hit his full potential.

Speaker 2 31:57

I think he's overrated. Personally, I think I agree with the whole like the hype that he had when he was at Milan and then, as soon as he went to PSG, fallen off.

Speaker 3 32:09

Yeah, was out in Milan and then, as soon as he went to PSG, fallen off. Yeah, do you know as well. I think he's at the wrong club. Yeah, I agree, it's hard to cooperate with PSG that club are just like.

Speaker 1 32:19

They're just done.

Speaker 3 32:20

Now they're finished honestly man yeah, serious rebuild, isn't that needed mate, but they they're missing all these youngsters and they've just died.

Speaker 1 32:30

I mean now Mbappe's gone. You look at their team and you're like it's not as good, yeah you do think that I think they've got really good potential youngsters like Barcola. I like him yeah good potential, but you've gone from having Neymar, messi and Mbappe to now Barcola, dembele and Colomwani.

Speaker 2 32:55

Yeah.

Speaker 3 32:56

They might have the best full-back pairing in the world, though. Just saying.

Speaker 1 33:00

Nuno Mendes. And who's the right-back? Hakimi, hakimi, hakimi. Yeah, good player.

Speaker 3 33:06

I watched them with Arsenal and they looked like a real threat, those two.

Speaker 1 33:09

Mate Mendes. I think Mendes is so underrated.

Speaker 3 33:12

Yeah, he's quality. Yeah, he's absolutely electric. Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:17

Yeah, fair, all right then. So we're still on the Martinez track. He's not lost one yet, is he? No, he's not. This one's interesting because I actually think he's just generically more hyped.

Speaker 3 33:33

I've never actually really watched him play that much jan oblak um well, I don't know how good he is right this second, but at his peak he was better than Martinez. I think he was the best goalie in the world. I don't know if Martinez, I don't think Martinez is the best goalie in the world, so right now I'd maybe go Martinez, just based on age, potentially but, I don't know, or Black, I'd say. Martinez has won more, hasn't he?

Speaker 1 34:09

he's won the league but or black, but it's yeah. I mean internationally you can't really judge Paul Barth, yeah he's been on the biggest stage, though.

Speaker 3 34:15

Martinez, you know what, all time I'd go, I'd go all black, to be fair, because I think he's probably a little bit underrated. He's loyal to Atletico, yeah.

Speaker 1 34:29

Been in a couple of.

Speaker 3 34:29

Champions League finals. He's actually got a really good resume. To be fair to him, yeah, fair.

Speaker 1 34:31

fair, it's not like the goalie can only have a certain impact of course Fair, it's true, right, we're going quite a dramatic jump now, up, Up, yeah, manuel Neuer.

Speaker 3 34:44

Manuel Neuer now. Now, honestly, I'd probably go. I really like Neuer Like kind of changed the game a bit as a keeper. Got to go Martinez, though currently I don't think Villa would swap him and I think again, I think Bayern, just based on age, age, might consider swapping. Yeah, but all time, look obviously Neuer. Neuer's won the World Cup champion, he's won everything, so he might be in like the top three or four best goalies of all time. But right, this second I'd have to say Martinez fair what do you?

Speaker 1 35:22

two think it's mad because it was like similar to last week with the part. It's mad because it was like similar to last week with some of the Palmer things like, as it was coming out of my mouth, I was like it just doesn't sound right yeah. I do think, martinez, because, like you said, I don't think I think Bayern would probably look to look at that if they had the option. Yeah, martinez, yeah, no, I agree, but all time yeah, like we said, all time.

Speaker 2 35:50

No brainer, obviously, but yeah it's interesting because we always seem to go back on the whole. You know the winning things and obviously it's a team game, but if you think like individually, as like a player like what we were saying before, with like Jan Oblak, it's a team game.

Speaker 2 36:10

But if you think like individually, as like a player, like what we were saying before, with like Jan Oblak, I mean the times that I've seen him in the big when you say the big stage, in the finals, if they lose or whatever and in the times I have seen him play, naturally he's got everything. But you say currently, now, because where we haven't seen him as much, we're going to go for Martinez.

Speaker 1 36:29

So it's kind of like, but I just think, I personally think Martinez is like amazing, I think he's top.

Speaker 3 36:35

You know, like Joey said earlier, I think he is top five in the world but also I think Oblak's peak is higher than Martinez's peak well, we don't even know if Martinez has hit his peak quite possibly not, but right now, like yeah, but I'm saying again, I'm saying like Oblak at one point probably was considered the best goalie in the world. Yeah, it's true, like everything Martinez ever has, even like after the World Cup and everything like that. So, yeah, fair fair right?

Speaker 1 36:59

okay, now we are really. This is the big three in my opinion, yeah okay so big three in my opinion. Yeah, okay, so Edison.

Speaker 3 37:11

I would take Edison City, would not swap Edison City wouldn't controversial.

Speaker 1 37:21

Edison's main trait is his passing, yeah, and his ball playing ability in general yeah, I actually don't think he's very good at one on one saves and his ball playing ability in general yeah, I actually don't think he's very good at one on one saves no, he's got.

Speaker 3 37:36

He has got a mistake in him as well.

Speaker 1 37:38

But the mistakes because of, like, the way they play. It's just like so high risk. But I think, like, if it came down to it, edison doesn't make that save in the final against Kodomwani.

Speaker 3 37:55

At Martinez.

Speaker 1 37:56

Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 37:58

I think he does to be fair Nah.

Speaker 3 38:00

Sorry, edison, wouldn't make that save. Wouldn't make that save. Yeah, I think he does. I don't know.

Speaker 1 38:07

You see, I really rate Edison a lot, but I do think I think if you put Edison in another team, I don't think he gets the same plaudits.

Speaker 3 38:20

I actually think that's right. I probably actually am going to take it back, I think, just as a goalkeeper, martinez probably is actually better.

Speaker 1 38:28

I'll take Martinez over here.

Speaker 3 38:30

I'm going to change my mind and say Martinez, I'm a bit biased towards City. I like City, so maybe that's why I originally said it, but I actually think you're right, shroff.

Speaker 1 38:39

I think Edison is insane as a goalie. He's a brilliant goalie, yeah, but I just think Martinez gives you more.

Speaker 3 38:46

As a goalkeeper.

Speaker 1 38:46

I think you're right.

Speaker 3 38:45

Martinez gives you more. He's a goalkeeper.

Speaker 2 38:50

I think you're right, I disagree.

Speaker 3 38:52

Well, he's a penalty saver as well. Like you've got to say, he's proven as a good penalty stopper. That's a big thing, 100%, and I'm not saying anything's bad, but I wouldn't say he's renowned for it Is he.

Speaker 1 39:02

He's not known for that is he.

Speaker 2 39:04

It's not the only thing. Obviously it's a big thing, but penalties aren't the main.

Speaker 1 39:10

I bet it can when you're a World Cup, my bro.

Speaker 3 39:12

Yeah, but he's everything else as well than Martinez. I'm just saying that's one example. I think he's everything else as well. He probably can play out of his feet as well.

Speaker 1 39:20

Yeah, I don't think he's bad with his feet at all.

Speaker 3 39:23

No Fair, so it's 2-1 there yeah, yeah fair, so there's 2-1 there, yeah yeah, so technically he's still unbeaten. Martinez, technically he's still unbeaten right, courtois yeah, courtois, yeah, I'd say, I'd say Courtois.

Speaker 2 39:44

Actually it's closer than you'd think, but Courtois is amazing very interesting because, look, you've gone on the basis of you know right now and surely you know you would kind of go with Martinez, I thought both of you really, because I mean like if, if you know, regarding if Emi Martinez was playing for Real Madrid. Both of you really, because I mean like if, if you know, regarding if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if another club say like Aston Villa, yeah, I don't think he does he got it at Chelsea and not very like.

Speaker 1 40:34

We had a lot of shit players.

Speaker 3 40:38

He was amazing at Chelsea and he's been consistently amazing for.

Speaker 1 40:41

Real Madrid and he dislodged Petr Cech.

Speaker 3 40:43

What about that Champions League final performance against Liverpool? That was incredible.

Speaker 2 40:49

I mean, they're still, they were still a top team. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 40:54

yeah, but you're part of that right, but if you're Madrid again, like we've been kind of judging a few of these if you're Madrid, are you swapping Courtois for Martinez? Nah, probably not, whereas I think if you ask Villa if they wanted Courtois over Martinez they'd say yes, I think they'd pick up the phone.

Speaker 3 41:14

at least. You know what I mean. I think on some of them you'd be like nah, but I think they did pick up the phone on this one.

Speaker 2 41:20

I think it's very interesting considering, you know, like the whole notion of like Edison at man City, where they've just dominated the league, they've won the Champions League. Do you know what I mean? Like it's not as if.

Speaker 1 41:34

Like but with the Champions League, a lot of those games Madrid weren't like. You wouldn't say, oh, madrid dominated, no, in the Champions League, like Courtois was like so important and I'd actually argue, courtois was like so important and I'd actually argue, I'd argue that they wouldn't have won the Champions League without Courtois in a couple of those seasons.

Speaker 3 41:56

Yeah, I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 41:59

Interesting and also that final being number one example. To be fair, he was obscene.

Speaker 3 42:05

To be fair as well, the best teams also want the best goalie, so it's not like they're already considered good because they play for the best teams. They are also amazingly talented because otherwise they wouldn't sign him in the first place.

Speaker 1 42:17

Yeah, it's true. It's true, Fair. I don't know if he's disconnected. No, he's not.

Speaker 2 42:29

It's just more of a sense of You're saying the best team needs the best players, then why did you? Even choose Martinez over Edison, because clearly they're the best team In the league. No no, what I'm saying is they're not mutually exclusive.

Speaker 3 42:46

Just because Edison doesn't have as many saves to make doesn't mean he's necessarily good or bad, it's just. It's just the nature of the beast. Yeah, and then, but also in the same breath, he's a really good goalie. That's why he plays for City.

Speaker 3 43:02

Yeah, I'm just not so sure it doesn't mean like obviously they're an anomaly. I mean like Cole Palmer. Cole Palmer might be like the top three or four best players in the world. He plays for no offense like a good prem team, not amazing. That doesn't mean that. So it's not always indicative of winning and stuff like that. But Martinez has done both internationally. So yeah, and, by the way, martinez could play for Real Madrid if Courtois retired tomorrow, like Real Madrid would probably be in for him because he's so good yeah, fair, fairs.

Speaker 3 43:36

It's just interesting, you know yeah, I think that's a closer. I think that's closer than people might think. I think that's really like a like a, a really like a small like a a, really like a small margin that I'd pick Courtois personally.

Speaker 1 43:50

I don't, I don't fear a small margin. I'd take Courtois pretty comfortably over Really Fair Martinez, and I really rate Martinez. But I just really rate Courtois as well and that says a lot, because I think he's an absolute snake, snake. So yeah.

Speaker 3 44:06

So, chalks, would you be having Martinez though?

Speaker 2 44:07

yeah, no, no, I was just trying to be devil's advocate and seeing why you would choose Courtois over Martinez but not Edison over Martinez. But yeah, fair nice I feel points are clear as day. Really. I was just seeing if there was an irregular. What were clear as day, really, I was just seeing if there was an irregularity, irregularity.

Speaker 3 44:32

Irregularity, yeah, irregularity.

Speaker 2 44:34

Irregularity, irregularity, irregularity, irregularity. There we go Bash.

Speaker 3 44:40

You should have got Chalks to do the Georgian goalie as well.

Speaker 1 44:42

Yeah, what was it again? No, mamadashvili. Mamadashvili, but see right and lastly, alisson.

Speaker 3 44:54

I think Alisson's the best goalie in the world.

Speaker 2 44:56

Yeah, agreed but he what he's prone to making mistakes as well yeah, so's Martin, so's Martin, I mean Martin it's not as much as Alisson.

Speaker 1 45:07

I think Alison's the best in the world. Man what?

Speaker 3 45:11

I think Alison's really really really good what better than better than Courtois?

Speaker 1 45:17

yeah, probably I'll take him over, courtois yeah that is mental.

Speaker 2 45:22

That is so mental. I don't understand your reasonings at all, why I just don't get it. I don't understand your reasonings at all why I just don't get it.

Speaker 2 45:31

I just don't get it so you'd take Martin as in, I probably would Fair, fair, I probably would. I get the Courtois because of the stature and you know what he's won and naturally he would probably fit in everyone's team, like everyone him. But I'm not sure about allison, you know, I think there's been numerous times where I've seen him like make a mistake, more so than even edison really in my eyes. But no, I don't think so I don't think so either I'm, maybe I'm deluded.

Speaker 2 46:05

He's also on the you guys are making me feel so you know, I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 46:11

I actually, I also. I actually think this is closer than someone might think as well.

Speaker 1 46:16

I think the Martin is that good the thing I can't believe, yeah, is it's taken me four seasons of doing a podcast with you to realise you're deluded.

Speaker 2 46:24

That is mental no, the fact is right, and I find it even more crazy that you would think that you would have any slight of more of an opinion than me. As you know an ex-semi-professional footballer as a goalkeeper.

Speaker 1 46:40

I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 46:41

Yeah, no, I'm guessing man, so you're having.

Speaker 3 46:49

Martinez, yeah.

Speaker 2 46:50

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 3 46:52

So, chooks, where's Martinez for you In terms of best goalies In the world? Is he number two? Yeah?

Speaker 2 46:58

Yeah, I feel like he is Considering, considering I'm going off Of right now, and as well as your guys Opinions as well, over Over everyone else that you've said 100%.

Speaker 3 47:12

Yeah, I wouldn't like die on the hill of arguing against you on that.

Speaker 2 47:15

to be honest, I think he's amazing the thing is I'm not saying that Alisson's dead, by the way.

Speaker 1 47:21

You are, and it's calm, bro, it's calm.

Speaker 2 47:23

Don't backtrack now, mate. Yeah, but he has a mistake in him, like every other goalkeeper that we've mentioned, and I think Martin is less likely to make a mistake than he is. Personally, I can't tell you when he made a mistake. Maybe it was in Arsenal, but at Villa.

Speaker 3 47:36

I mean, the one that stands out to me is against Liverpool last season in a massive game, but Martinez had an absolute clanger for them to go 1-0. That's just one mistake, but that's just standout to me.

Speaker 2 47:49

Well, you know what it is, Joe, is that I say a lot of things and I don't remember a lot of things.

Speaker 3 47:58

That's why you're so good to do a podcast with, though, because you'll chuck out every opinion, which is class.

Speaker 2 48:03

Yeah, it's how I'm feeling, joe, I mean in the moment. Yeah, it's how I'm feeling, joe, I mean in the moment. You can't deny how I'm feeling, absolutely not, and anything that goes against Struff is right, but Facts to be fair.

Speaker 1 48:18

Right, Enough of that. So fair point. Oh my God, my mic is all over, oh this is a good setup, yeah what I did for this chat. Oh, this is a good setup.

Speaker 3 48:26

Yeah, I know You're going to have to cut the mics for them over mate.

Speaker 1 48:28

I'm going to hold it here now.

Speaker 3 48:30

Okay, nice.

Speaker 1 48:31

So what are we thinking for the next section? It is the On their Day 11.

Speaker 3 48:40

I think we do the On their Day 11 and then a few controversial opinions, yeah yeah if you're happy to have you got them prepared.

Speaker 2 48:48

I've got mine prepared well on the day 11 yeah oh, I haven't got mine prepared. I can I?

Speaker 1 48:55

thought that might be the case we've literally been speaking about it all day listen here, guys.

Speaker 2 49:01

I'm a busy individual and a very high intense job, so unless I have to, I can think them off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 49:08

Actually, how long did you play football manager for today?

Speaker 3 49:14

Good question, this can't go out to his employer.

Speaker 2 49:18

I'm joking, I'm joking, You're a snake.

Speaker 1 49:21

I'm going to call you Cordova mate, right, right, right, the chalks is. It's alright, it's all out there for you, isn't? It yep right goalies, wait how are we going?

Speaker 2 49:34

yeah, sorry, go on.

Speaker 3 49:35

I was going to say we're going 4-4-2 yeah 4-4-2 and on their day can be crossed over slightly with streets, won't forget kind of, but I think on their day, like 11 on like yeah, could be considered not like the best in the world, but like was just insane on their day like these men, proper barclaysman I've got an old premiership.

Speaker 1 49:57

I have yeah, I have as well, yeah, yeah yeah, fuck it right trough.

Speaker 3 50:02

Do you want to kick things off?

Speaker 1 50:03

yeah, I've gone a bit rogue. I have as well. There's a couple that I'm going to say, but they're lucky to be there, because there's two positions where I'm like these are proper. Like when we're saying streets, don't forget, these are staples. But I just wanted to go a bit different. But Goalie isn't one of them.

Speaker 3 50:27

So, goalie, I've gone. You see, askeleinen, yeah, that's a good shout, that's a bit Streets, won't forget, because he was quite consistently good, to be fair.

Speaker 1 50:33

Yeah, true, that's a bit of an RG, but I think as well on his day he was insane, so I'm actually going to match you on that.

Speaker 3 50:44

And someone else I want to say who's not prepping Ochoa, the Mexican goalie? Just World Cups, world Cups. Turned up, absolute cat and then don't know what he did for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 50:55

I have no idea what he's done. He's probably good for four years. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 50:58

I swear he's got like six fingers or something that.

Speaker 3 51:08

I'm pretty sure it was six fingers that's getting a googly, please.

Speaker 1 51:10

Be true, I'm pretty sure he does please be true.

Speaker 3 51:11

I'm checking, throw a six finger. You could be right here, by the way no way am I right, jocks? That is an unbelievable shout. Yeah, he's got six fingers. That's why he's so good blush. Unbelievable shout. Yeah, he's got six fingers.

Speaker 2 51:28

That's why he's so good.

Speaker 1 51:30

Mush Mad, isn't it? I'm absolutely gobsmacked by the way I am what.

Speaker 3 51:43

Isn't it?

Speaker 2 51:45

That's obscene knowledge, Right for my one, though. It's so bait what I'm going to say, I think I'm absolutely speechless.

Speaker 1 51:50

You're going to say Paul Robinson, aren't you?

Speaker 2 51:52

no, I'm not, but I was thinking about him because the streets won't forget when he scored against Watford. But no, mine's even better than that. Mine's going to be Brad Friedel.

Speaker 3 52:06

I was actually thinking him to be Brad Friedel. I was actually thinking him too fair, but again, I think he's very consistent yeah, and he's so bait as well yeah.

Speaker 1 52:15

I think, Mark Schwartz is another one. He was, he's been about but get it like I.

Speaker 3 52:22

I think that's two streets, won't forget, but even that, like he was in the Prem consistently for number one for 15 years. Yeah, it's true, it's true, yeah, fair.

Speaker 1 52:33

But Brad Friedel was, yeah, top tier, but yeah, fair.

Speaker 2 52:37

Oh, another one. What's his name? Rob Green.

Speaker 1 52:43

The guy.

Speaker 2 52:44

What a guy, rob Green.

Speaker 1 52:45

Rob Green. But again, yeah, like like Joe said, he's been about.

Speaker 2 52:51

I have a feeling a lot of my Barclays men are going to be. Oh, it's first place probably Jolt only because they're crease and on their day they were, on the day they were sick yeah, fair and I that's all I can say right, we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 53:17

Alright, left back left back.

Speaker 3 53:20

I am absolutely going to that archives here. Royston Drentha who played for Everton. Real Madrid. He played for Everton and Sheffield Wednesday shout out and he scored just occasionally an absolute belter, and then, other than that, it was pretty, pretty shit. So I'm going to say on his day he was an absolute baller.

Speaker 1 53:45

I agree. The only thing I will contest you on with that, I think for Everton. I think he was a winger, what?

Speaker 3 53:54

do you mean A winger? Yeah, so I was struggling a little bit with defenders. I put a hold in mid who did occasionally play centre-back Right. No fair.

Speaker 1 54:03

So you're going in a marauding fallback.

Speaker 3 54:06

Yeah, for sure, and I think I've got like basically a left-back playing centre-back as well. Fine, yeah.

Speaker 1 54:12

Fine, fine, fine. You're going to slag off my centre-back big time, but there's method behind it. There's method behind it. My left-back talks. Actually you go first. Karl back of talks. Actually you go first.

Speaker 2 54:24

Karl Eric.

Speaker 1 54:27

Edmund, who is that player? Don't even know who that is. I thought you were going to say Tim Bonda, to be fair.

Speaker 2 54:31

No, no, he's a right back darling, no. So, eric Edmund, if you want to, if you want to look up his goal against Liverpool, probably, one of the three goals. I've ever seen. Is he a Spurs player?

Speaker 1 54:46

he is, he was a Spurs player yeah, so so you've put him in left back because he scored one good goal because it's the Barclays.

Speaker 2 54:54

What is it?

Speaker 1 54:55

yeah, the streets won't forget that, bruv no, but yours literally is on, yours is literally on his one day yes, because he scored Scorimas.

Speaker 2 55:03

Actually no, can I take it back? Yes, yes because he scores scrimmage Actually no, can I take it back. Yes, matt Taylor, fair Respect. That that's actually a shout.

Speaker 1 55:10

I respect that. That one I respect a lot. Yeah, nice Trough, I've got Maynard Figueroa.

Speaker 3 55:18

Maynard, I've got him centre-half Wait.

Speaker 1 55:21

I've got him centre-half.

Speaker 3 55:22

That's a great shout. He's calling up from the halfway line.

Speaker 2 55:25

Yeah what about Eric Edmund that's?

Speaker 1 55:27

oh, he's over for one game no, no, figaro was like he's a goated player man yeah, he played like for Wigan consistently in the prem but he won his game. Iconic, iconic Wigan team, by the way yeah, big time.

Speaker 3 55:40

But that yeah, so I've got him centre half there you go love it.

Speaker 1 55:44

I respect it right on to centre half.

Speaker 2 55:46

Chilts. No, you've got to give me a minute now this is my rogue one, yeah all. I can think of sorry. All I can think of is Spurs players.

Speaker 1 55:56

So I need to be I need to be sensible here fair, this guy was like he played at the top level for a long time but I feel like underrated and scored so many screamers. And it was alex for chelsea great shot.

Speaker 3 56:12

I actually like I like that shout of it. Look not, it's not all just like average players. No, yeah, he was actually like quite decent, but on his day he was actually a bit of a world beater, to be fair, wasn't he?

Speaker 1 56:23

the thing like he doesn't get the respect because of Carvalho and Terry were our main partnership, but mate Alex played. He was a beast and he loved a screamer as well, so Love that. What have you gone for?

Speaker 3 56:38

Well, I've got Figueroa, and then, shall I say, my other centre-half, and then Maddell, who played for Cardiff and for Cardiff. He was absolute dogshit, but then in the World Cup he was a beast.

Speaker 2 56:57

And into Milan.

Speaker 3 56:59

And then he madly got a move to one of the biggest teams in Italy.

Speaker 1 57:04

That's obscene as well.

Speaker 3 57:05

Yeah, he was a big on-there-day lad. Fair play, I like that one. That's a in Italy. That's obscene as well. Yeah, he was a big on their day.

Speaker 1 57:08

Fair play. I like that one. That's a good one. Chokes have you got one?

Speaker 2 57:13

The one I kind of remember and he seems to always do. Well, what's his name? Matt Upton.

Speaker 1 57:18

Matthew Upton. Matthew Upton.

Speaker 2 57:21

Upton, not Upton. Yeah, Matthew.

Speaker 1 57:22

Upton Heored against Germany, by the way, yeah in the Lampard game.

Speaker 2 57:27

He was a centre-back, and the other one is going to be a Spurs player, but I don't know if it's like.

Speaker 1 57:32

Ledley King. No, I'm joking.

Speaker 2 57:34

I was going to say Ledley King, really.

Speaker 1 57:36

Oh, because he never played. Yeah, fair.

Speaker 2 57:38

Because on his day, that's actually low-key.

Speaker 3 57:41

A good one, because on his day he was actually probably like one of the best centre-backs in the world, but he was amazing. Everyone raves about him.

Speaker 1 57:47

He just never played, yeah off the charts.

Speaker 2 57:51

You ready he consistently played for three top London clubs with his, with his, with his, with his, with his, with his, with his, with his with his, with his with his, with his, with his with his.

Speaker 3 58:02

That's a good one I think he was a bit too consistent, though I do like I think yeah.

Speaker 1 58:08

I like that a lot. That's the idea. Fair, fair, fair, yeah, but that's the thing. Yeah, I agree, my other one's a bit rogue. Go on Christopher Samba, qpr.

Speaker 2 58:18

Oh, what a shout. He got bits at.

Speaker 1 58:21

Blackburn as well, didn't he Mate, absolute mate, absolute unit, by the way yeah, oh mate, that's actually a great show.

Speaker 3 58:27

I think his purple patch was at Blackburn, then he went to QPR for the.

Speaker 1 58:32

It was when QPR like spent a load of money on not very good players as well when they had like Julio Cesar in goal.

Speaker 2 58:38

Yeah that would have been a great show as well yeah, yeah, nah, he was, he was just amazing.

Speaker 3 58:50

Win the Champions League yeah.

Speaker 1 58:53

He was a goat, yeah, goated, right, right back. I've cheated.

Speaker 3 58:57

Okay, well, I kind of cheated with Royston Drentha.

Speaker 1 59:00

I've cheated, but go on, I'll go last because I've cheated.

Speaker 3 59:03

Chalk. Shall we go first?

Speaker 2 59:05

I'm going to say Ivanovic, because I've cheated Chalk.

Speaker 3 59:07

shall we go first?

Speaker 2 59:06

I'm going to say Ivanovic.

Speaker 3 59:08

Definitely not.

Speaker 1 59:10

I'm not On their day, mate. He was amazing. Yes, on their day, let's not talk about the game.

Speaker 3 59:16

No, he was Mr Consistency.

Speaker 2 59:19

I'm so confused what we're supposed to be playing.

Speaker 3 59:20

So this is someone who generally probably isn't that widely considered to be that good, but occasionally they were just an absolute world leader on their day.

Speaker 2 59:28

They were amazing. Paul, stelteri, stelteri fair enough? I don't know when we beat West Ham 4-3. He scored the winner at the very last minute and it was just unbelievable. Him, him and Steve Malbrank link up Bush.

Speaker 3 59:46

Steve Malbrank. Steve Muldbrank link up Bush Steve Muldbrank that's a great shot.

Underrated Midfielders and Honorable Mentions

Speaker 1 59:50

By the way, right, I've cheated because I've gone. I had to put him in, but he's actually a midfielder, but he didn't fit into my midfield. Come on, rory DeLapp no, that's it.

Speaker 3 1:00:03

I think he did maybe occasionally play right back I thought occasionally he did.

Speaker 1 1:00:06

Maybe occasionally play right back, I thought. I thought occasionally he did, but mainly he was a midfielder played for Derby as well.

Speaker 3 1:00:10

Shout out, did he? Yep fair is, you know, liam the lap, who's been pretty good, that's his son and he was from Derby's Academy, but we got rid of him when we were yeah he moved to City, didn in the mud, yeah, that's mad.

Speaker 1 1:00:25

So there you go. But yeah, rory, the lap had to be, he's got to be in there.

Speaker 3 1:00:30

I quite like that to be fair. But again he, so he was actually like probably a bit underrated actually, like for his football ability well, everyone thought about his throws.

Speaker 1 1:00:39

That was it yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 1:00:41

Nah, it's a good shot. He did occasionally score a banger as well.

Speaker 1 1:00:44

Right, that's a solid defense. I like the defense there. Well, mine is. Oh, you always draw a choice.

Speaker 3 1:00:49

No, no, no, it's all good. This is maybe a bit of because he probably was just quite not a bad player. Glenn Johnson, I'll rate it. I'll rate it. He scored screamer.

Speaker 1 1:01:00

He did play for England as well, so maybe that's not like no, I rate it because when you think of the best right backs in the world, you're not thinking, you're probably not thinking Glenn Johnson no but he got an England call up.

Speaker 3 1:01:11

Got England call ups from occasionally just being an absolute baller and he was good for Liverpool as well. So I rate it.

Speaker 1 1:01:17

I think that's a good one. Nice right Chalks, left midfield we're going to move into midfield now, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:01:25

Let's move into midfield, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:01:26

All right, I've got so bait.

Speaker 1 1:01:29

by the way, my midfield is just criminally bait.

Speaker 3 1:01:32

Yeah, mine is just like the most standard shoutouts, I think.

Speaker 2 1:01:37

So for me I think he played left mid. From what I remember, he played for Chelsea actually and Middlesbrough Gronkier.

Speaker 1 1:01:46

Gronkierbrough, gronkier, gronkier, jasper. Gronkier Jasper Gronkier now on his day he was a baller mate, that is a great mate it was between that one and Romadal from Pochola the only Romadal is an obscene shout yeah mate. That is that Middlesbrough team, by the way, with Romadal was mad, yeah, that's a cracking shout. Matt.

Speaker 2 1:02:09

Hollands, scott Parker mate Romadal.

Speaker 1 1:02:12

Now you're thinking you're getting confused with Charlton now, mate yeah, I am damn it but Romadal is such a good maybe he was for a bit he might have been to be fair, yeah might have been to be fair. Yeah, that is an amazing shout. I wasn't sure between them two well, gronkia scored the goal for Chelsea. We beat Liverpool, finished above them, and then Abramovich bought us because of that. So there you go could have been very different without yeah without Gronkia fair play.

Speaker 2 1:02:43

There was a few left mids that I could have gone for, but there were two that stood out for me, that kind of like.

Speaker 1 1:02:47

Joe, who have you got? Because I think Chalks is about. I think you're about to say one that I'm thinking okay.

Speaker 3 1:02:53

Well, this is the the captain of my team and easily the most on their day player.

Speaker 1 1:02:59

Giovanni for Hull awesome yeah, he's on there as well, he's, he's on there as well?

Speaker 3 1:03:04

Have you got him as well?

Speaker 1 1:03:05

I had him or the bait. I think he's one of the most bait as well.

Speaker 3 1:03:09

He is for sure.

Speaker 1 1:03:09

Yannick Bellassi for me as well, it's a good shout. I thought you were going to say him next.

Speaker 2 1:03:15

No, I was going to say Pedro Mendes, but he plays more centre mid. Oh, Pedro Mendes as well.

Speaker 3 1:03:20

Pedro Mendes, the shout man.

Speaker 1 1:03:23

But Giovanni mate that season for Hull when he scored like screamers, didn't he obscene? So I couldn't work out between him and Benassi, basically that was mine.

Speaker 3 1:03:34

Yeah, benassi's a shout, to be honest my two yeah nice obscene right.

Speaker 1 1:03:38

What do we want to do next? The centre mids or the right mids?

Speaker 3 1:03:41

let's go centre mids.

Speaker 1 1:03:44

I've also cheated slightly here, because I don't actually think they were more like flair players, like attacking mids.

Speaker 2 1:03:49

But yeah, I've got a few of those as well, to be fair.

Speaker 1 1:03:53

The beta as well. I've got three. Two had to obviously go in Morton Guns Pedersen, the beta one to go.

Speaker 2 1:04:00

He plays left, mid though.

Speaker 1 1:04:02

Yeah, that's like. This is where I've cheated.

Speaker 3 1:04:08

That.

Speaker 2 1:04:08

Yeah, this is where I've cheated.

Speaker 3 1:04:09

That's quite a great shot there. Do both for your Straff.

Speaker 1 1:04:10

Right Ben Arfa has to be done.

Speaker 3 1:04:13

Straff, you've cheated there. I've got Ben Arfa right wing.

Speaker 1 1:04:18

But there's another right winger that is even better than Ben Arfa, okay, fair Right, I'll take one out, I'll take Pedersen out and I'll go Alano for man.

Speaker 3 1:04:25

City. I was debating him.

Speaker 1 1:04:28

I was debating him.

Speaker 3 1:04:31

I'll go Alano. He's got like one of the most aesthetic free-kick goals ever, ever, like a postage stamp.

Speaker 1 1:04:35

Unbelievable. Yeah, fair, fair, fair. Yeah, I cheated there, but I'll go Alano then. Fine, right, chalks, have you thought? Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 1:04:45

Who else wants to go next? Juninho for when he was at Middlesbrough.

Speaker 1 1:04:49

Middlesbrough. Yeah, nice Screamers.

Speaker 2 1:04:52

Screamers galore.

Speaker 1 1:04:54

Screamers.

Speaker 2 1:04:55

And then I was going to say, technically, on his day I think he was unbelievable and it was Stephen Ireland.

Speaker 3 1:05:04

That is a shout, by the way. It's a great shout. That is a shout, by the way.

Speaker 2 1:05:06

It's a great shout, yeah, but then again he kind of played that kind of attack of him all as well, so I wasn't too sure.

Speaker 1 1:05:12

Yeah, but it's like We've got to squeeze him in, you know.

Speaker 3 1:05:15

Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 1:05:17

Nice. I was trying to think of a defensive midfielder. That is obviously not Mr Consistency, but on his day was good, because obviously you've got players like Gareth Barry. You've got there's like a throwback of John Ovi, mikkel. Yeah, do you know what I mean? And they're just really and truly they were ballers.

Speaker 3 1:05:38

Yeah, barry's got the most appearances in Prem history, hasn't?

Speaker 1 1:05:41

he, yeah, he does.

Speaker 3 1:05:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:05:43

So he couldn't be lacking an on their day for sure, because like this is going to be a rascal one, because it's not a throwback, but, like on his day, he was unbelievable and, I think, unstoppable, and that was Moussa Sissoko.

Speaker 3 1:05:58

I thought you were going to say Moussa Dembele, because on his day he was maybe like the best people say, like he's the best player they've ever played with.

Speaker 1 1:06:05

I was going to say if you'd said Moosey, then, bella, I would have been fuming because you can't be on their date no, because he is unbelievable and he's up there with my favourite player so yeah, he would be like he was actually just really good to be fair, like so many professional footballers say how good he was.

Speaker 2 1:06:24

Yeah, literally, he just probably was too lazy and just could be asked, so he stayed at Spurs.

Speaker 1 1:06:32

Right, Joe, who's your other one?

Speaker 3 1:06:34

Well, so I've got Bonar for right mid to be fair.

Speaker 1 1:06:37

Oh, you put him right mid or centre, mid.

Speaker 3 1:06:38

sorry, I'm going to give an honourable mention to. Was it Michael Johnson who played for City? He was meant to be the next Michael Johnson. He played for City. He was meant to be the next. Yeah, the next best thing. And then he kind of fell off a little bit. Well, massively fell off.

Speaker 1 1:06:51

He found booze, yeah, but my two Raval Morrison Right okay.

Speaker 3 1:06:59

Because he was actually unbelievable on his day.

Speaker 1 1:07:02

He was my laptop's about to die, but keep talking.

Speaker 2 1:07:05

No worries, and my other one is Adel Terapt it's such a difficult because like he's more of a right winger striker, but then yeah, I know what you mean like he is a baller and I don't know he's a minor as well, to be fair yeah, because he was.

Speaker 3 1:07:27

He was actually just consistently really good, to be fair. So it's a bit of a was he on their day, but on his day he was actually like amazing, wasn't he?

Speaker 2 1:07:34

yeah, well, mate, he was the nutmeg king. What? What did you say?

Speaker 3 1:07:45

did he? I'm talking normally. What did you say, did he? I was trying to get your mic back.

Speaker 1 1:07:50

I'm talking normally.

Underrated Players and Controversial Opinions

Speaker 2 1:07:52

That reminds me when you said about Milan. Another throwback. Who? Kevin Prince-Botin On his day baller.

Speaker 1 1:08:00

Yeah, I actually think he was. I think he was a baller, though, like, but he does fall into that on their day as well.

Speaker 3 1:08:09

I think he was. I think he was a baller, though, Like but he does fall into that.

Speaker 1 1:08:12

On his on their day as well, I think. I think he's on their day, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:08:15

I think so, I think you're right.

Speaker 1 1:08:16

I think you're right. But right wings, big one then. Oh right, yeah, right wings, I was saying yeah.

Speaker 3 1:08:21

To wrap's mind, david Bentley was a shout, great shout, when Derby had that obviously worst season ever. I went to quite a few of the games. David Bentley was absolutely amazing and he got an England call-up as well.

Speaker 1 1:08:34

He was top tier, to be fair.

Speaker 2 1:08:35

Yeah, does that mean I can say Aaron Lennon?

Speaker 3 1:08:43

Yeah, is he one.

Speaker 2 1:08:47

I'd say yes, yeah, no you probably you could just be a more rascal then go on on their day again. Ex-first player soz Andros Townsend.

Speaker 1 1:08:59

I was gonna do him because actually on his day it was just like incredible yeah that volley against man City is still probably the best goal I've ever seen, by the way, yeah, it was incredible.

Speaker 3 1:09:10

That's actually. I think that's a good shout. And then of one another honourable mention from midfield Oscar. I don't know what you think about that, sean.

Speaker 1 1:09:17

No way.

Speaker 3 1:09:18

No way, he's not an on their day, nah.

Speaker 2 1:09:21

Fair. The thing is he's a baller, so like technically, on his day he's unbelievable, but like he was just awesome. He's one of the ones, like the ones that you forget, like what's that yeah, no, the ones you forget.

Speaker 1 1:09:33

I've got an honourable mention. Go on, seb Larson.

Speaker 3 1:09:38

Yeah, that's a shout, great shout.

Speaker 1 1:09:41

James Ward-Prowse has posters of Seb Larson on his wall, mate that's what I'm saying, yeah yeah right, the big ones striker can.

Speaker 2 1:09:50

I just say before we go on here.

Speaker 1 1:09:52

Yeah, I think Mitch, who is like the one.

Speaker 3 1:09:57

No, he's not because he, he, I, he had one good, amazing season, but I don't know if you'd be on their day because I was thinking the same. Okay, I didn't include him because on their day, because I was thinking the same.

Speaker 1 1:10:07

Okay, I, I didn't include him because I was. I thought he was just the one you've always pinnacle for that was it like I've gone proper rogue and I've got three honorable, no two honorable mentions. Sorry, yeah, love it right, I've got roddy agar ciao yeah I've got bubbles again. Why do bubbles keep appearing? Roda Yeager and Papi Sisse yeah, papi Sisse. I didn't mind but, Yakubu was up there for me.

Speaker 3 1:10:40

I wanted to do the yak. I didn't do the yak.

Speaker 1 1:10:43

I left him because I was like he actually was quite good I think that's actually harsh to call him that.

Speaker 3 1:10:46

Yeah, so I I left him because I was like he actually was quite good. I thought that.

Speaker 1 1:10:47

I thought I think that's actually harsh to call him that. Yeah, so I've left him right. Who do you boys? And then I'll do my honorable mentions after uh, try, ghost rocks, go on son.

Speaker 3 1:10:57

So I've gone again archives there.

Speaker 2 1:11:01

Johan Almander from Bolton oh, you see that goal, that from Bolton. Oh, you see, remember his goal, that goal that goal Wolves away was quality. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:11:09

And then the other one is actually my vice-captain, because I think he was so on their day. I don't know how he got such good contracts. Nicholas Bentner. Yeah, I kind of get that Because on his day obviously he played for Arsenal for a reason and occasionally he was actually like he was so good, but just generally he obviously just gets mocked for being shit.

Speaker 1 1:11:28

he was an idiot, mate. The Paddy Power pants were the funniest thing ever, by the way honestly, guy's a clown. But on his day baller, baller.

Speaker 2 1:11:38

Chokes. Well, the players that I'm I'm thinking of or I've thought of, are players that you probably like what you just said earlier about people were to the pieces of how shit he was, but he actually was actually a baller, and that's Emil Heskey, but on a day technically I can't underrate that, to be fair, I actually just think he's underrated.

Speaker 3 1:12:01

I don't know if he was. I think he was actually consistently really good. That's why he played so consistently. And then you've got Obafemi Martins. That is a great shout.

Speaker 1 1:12:13

That's really good.

Speaker 3 1:12:14

Obafemi Martins is an unreal shout. Won the League Cup for Blues.

Speaker 1 1:12:17

That's really good. Actually, I rate that a lot, and it was his partner as well Foebeck, zigic.

Speaker 3 1:12:24

Zigic. Zigic could actually be a shout for this as well. He once scored four goals away at Leeds.

Speaker 1 1:12:35

Zygich mate. I forgot that I've got a good honourable mention Kevin Davis from Bolton.

Speaker 3 1:12:43

I was thinking, and I thought it was actually harsh, I thought it was actually consistently not bad for him. It wasn't bad. But do you know? But I thought he was actually harsh. I thought he was actually consistently not bad for him. He wasn't bad. But do you know what I mean? He was like he's just there.

Speaker 1 1:12:50

One England cap. One England cap and what's?

Speaker 2 1:12:54

that choice. He's weak for Bolton. Oh my God, that's Stapelopoulos.

Speaker 1 1:13:01

Yeah, oh my God, stelios Stelios, yeah, stelios Stelios, yeah, stelios mate mate. He was so good, he loved to go against Arsenal as well. He was so good that Bolton team is obscene. Kevin Nolan as well, oh yeah oh yeah top tier.

Speaker 3 1:13:19

I have another one but you've got in my head, joe, about Michu Amizaki yeah, I was thinking him, but yeah, it's tough, isn't it? It's like, oh, what does on their day actually mean? It's like the streets kind of won't forget so. I'm glad they've all been mentioned. To be fair, yeah, because he's that overhead kick that Amizaki scored like he's not in his locker.

Speaker 1 1:13:41

It was incredible yeah, but then he did fall off completely, so big time, yeah, mad though oh that was. I enjoyed that. That was throwback.

Speaker 3 1:13:51

How did I not think of him, by the way. We'll try and think of another 11 to do next week that maybe no one's done before or something we'll have a think yeah, I rate it a lot.

Speaker 1 1:14:00

All right, a lot right. What is the time? All right, we've got time, I reckon, for a quick controversial opinion section.

Speaker 3 1:14:07

Yeah, let's do it. Alright who wants to go first? I can kick things off Word of way. This is a real Huh.

Speaker 1 1:14:18

I'm far away.

Speaker 3 1:14:21

This is a pretty common one, so it might be really quick. Neymar is closer to Ronaldo than Ronaldo is to Messi.

Speaker 1 1:14:31

That's too controversial.

Speaker 3 1:14:34

It depends what you're talking about. If it's legacy, obviously not, ronaldo is the second best. Well, I think Ronaldo is the second best player of all time anyway, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:14:44

In terms of ability. Do you believe that statement?

Speaker 3 1:14:47

In terms of ability? Yeah, I think Messi's. So, in terms of ability, do you believe that statement?

Speaker 1 1:14:50

In terms of ability, yeah, I think Messi's so far away from Ronaldo Interesting, I think he is but I also think, they were both so far ahead of everyone else.

Speaker 2 1:15:07

Yeah, it's definitely a controversial one. It is yeah, I can't get my head around it at the minute, because who do you compare with neymar? Then like below, like oh, how far is neymar to like hazard, or something like that. I don't.

Speaker 3 1:15:24

No, that's a good point and, to be fair, Maradona, you'd say, was obviously one of the most technically gifted players of all time, but you wouldn't make that comparison. It's a bit of a weird one. It's obviously just trying to show the gulf mainly. It could be Neymar, it could be Arnijn, but it's mainly to show the gulf between what people think is the gulf between Messi and Ronaldo yeah, I'm not having.

Speaker 2 1:15:47

I'm not having. I think that the gap is definitely like it's Ronaldo Messi. I think obviously it's definitely Messi, but like it's much closer than Ronaldo Neymar. Obviously I'm going to say very controversially in my own opinion Neymar is technically better than Ronaldo, like technically technical ability, but obviously everything else.

Speaker 1 1:16:14

I just think Ronaldo and Messi are so far ahead of everyone else yeah, fair, I'm not going to argue.

Speaker 3 1:16:19

I could kind of see where they're coming from to show the point, but ultimately Ronaldo's actually probably been a bit underrated there. Like, let's not forget, like the guy's fucking amazing. Second best player ever is pretty, pretty big. So, yeah, cool, I thought that would be a fairly swift one.

Speaker 1 1:16:35

We actually received another one, and it was Pep Guardiola has killed football as we know it.

Speaker 3 1:16:45

I strongly disagree, right? So if think, if you do, you agree with it.

Speaker 1 1:16:53

I don't know why do you think? No one would say that I think it's become too robotic. Yeah, so you think now how rigid it is. You've kind of lost all those players we're talking about now. Yeah, like before, like the streets won't forget, like they were, just like mad. How often does City score like?

Speaker 3 1:17:14

screamers. I think we're being a bit nostalgic, I think, but that's. I think that City are very individual in that sense.

Speaker 1 1:17:21

I don't think everyone's playing like that they're the standard, though, like Arsenal now, they follow the blueprint, chelsea follow the blueprint.

Speaker 3 1:17:29

I think Arsenal, chelsea and Spurs, for example, are really excited to watch. I think their wingers have a go, so they don't actually play exactly like City. Like Martinelli, for better or worse, to be fair, loves having a go at the fullback, and so does Saka. Saka, saka actually cooks players all the time.

Speaker 2 1:17:46

I just think that obviously I agree with Joe in a sense of the nostalgia feeling of it and where they want to win. So trying to score screamers is it's like the more you do it you're going to give the ball away. So it's more calculated. The demand to be better is so much higher. It's so much more competitive.

Speaker 1 1:18:13

So, yeah, I think it's just this whole inverted fullback stuff now was obviously started by Pep it's bloody clever, if you ask me it's clever, but it's also like it has in a way. It's also like it has in a way, he's not killed football, he's killed football the way we knew it. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, he probably has. In that sense, he's evolved it.

Speaker 3 1:18:40

But also again, Jürgen Klopp. I know they only won it once, but that was so exciting to watch. You used to watch those City-Liverpool games. Actually, Klopp's football at Anfield was prevailing, was it?

Speaker 3 1:18:52

last season like they were all over them. It was so exciting. You had balls over the top, you got Trent spraying it around. So I think if you just watched that City, maybe you'd think that. But I think generally, like there's some really there's some really exciting play and just because we don't have, like I, I think the quality, I think the quality of players this could be another controversial opinion like, well, it's probably not. Actually the strikers that we have now, for example, are just nowhere near what we saw in the mid to late 2000s. So, like what you got harland, I mean there more there were better strikers and a better amount of strikers in the premier league between like 2005,. 2010 is there are in the world right now.

Speaker 1 1:19:33

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 1:19:34

I'd agree to be honest and so that that contributes towards it. So yeah, I think it's a bit nostalgic, but I kind of see where you're coming from.

Speaker 1 1:19:45

I mean it's not, it's not mine, to be fair.

Speaker 3 1:19:47

Oh sorry, I can see where this person's coming from, but I quite like watching City. To be fair, I find it quite entertaining watching them dominate teams with possession.

Speaker 1 1:19:58

It does get a bit boring though.

Speaker 2 1:20:02

What them winning.

Speaker 1 1:20:04

No, no, their style of football is just a bit like.

Speaker 2 1:20:08

The thing is, though, like if you had Chelsea doing that and winning consistently, you would be like I wouldn't be complaining, I'm just saying as, like a football fan, yeah, but you wouldn't. If Chelsea were doing those numbers and things, you wouldn't be complaining about how football's dead.

Speaker 1 1:20:28

You'd be like no, I'd be backing it up, but Exactly this is the way it is, isn't it?

Speaker 2 1:20:33

No, I agree.

Speaker 3 1:20:34

I think, to give City some credit as well. They've actually been involved in some seriously exciting games over the last few years.

Speaker 1 1:20:41

The Arsenal City game the other day was brilliant, to be fair.

Speaker 2 1:20:44

Look at the City Squares game, when we won 3-2. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:20:50

So I think they have actually been involved in some exciting games. I think when you watch them against I don't know you watch them against Leicester, for example, or Ipswich. That probably isn't the most entertaining to watch, but probably. I watched Arsenal versus Leicester the other day. It was exciting, but also Arsenal did basically just pepper them for 90 minutes and then they got a couple of goals. So, yeah, I don't know if the United team of 07-08, which I thought was an amazing side they'd come up against Derby, and really it probably wouldn't have been that entertaining.

Speaker 1 1:21:21

No, it's true as well.

Speaker 2 1:21:22

That is true as well, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:21:23

Yeah, you're not wrong, fair, that is true as well.

Speaker 3 1:21:28

Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. Fair, so it's a controversial opinion. Yeah, I would say so, chucks.

Speaker 2 1:21:32

I agree.

Speaker 1 1:21:34

There we go, there we have it.

Speaker 2 1:21:35

I agree.

Speaker 1 1:21:37

Nice Right, Bosh. What do we want to do, boys? Do we want to call it there and resume next?

Speaker 3 1:21:42

week. I think we call it apart. I've got a couple up my sleeve a couple actually, that got written in that we can save for next week, though, because they'll easily pass over. So, yeah, I think we call it a pod perfect love it, boys love it.

Speaker 1 1:21:55

That was entertaining. I really enjoyed that on their day 11 yeah, it was good.

Speaker 3 1:22:02

you know what I like doing the Wood Giraffe as well. Maybe we'll come back with another Woodgerava. Yeah, we'll do one each. We'll go back to maybe Chalks next week.

Speaker 1 1:22:09

I like it.

Speaker 3 1:22:10

And then another 11 as well.

Speaker 1 1:22:12

Let's do. It Sounds the plan Right. Well, we'll be back again next week. Hell yeah guys. Bye-bye, bye-bye.

Speaker 2 1:22:17

Thank you.