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Talking A Load Of Balls
The Ultimate "On Their Day XI"
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The episode starts as we discuss the main Balls Ups Of The Week, including Meslier and of course Spurs.
A game of football "Would You Rather" centers around the world of goalkeepers, with Emi Martinez taking center stage. A lively debate ensues as we compare Martinez to other top keepers from leagues worldwide, including Nick Pope, Ederson and more.
Finally, we build the ultimate "on their day XI".
Sports Conversations and Weekend Highlights
Speaker 1Hello and welcome back to another episode of Talking . A Load Of Bulls , hell yeah . How are we everyone ?
Speaker 2Yeah , not bad man . Yeah , it's been a hectic weekend and stuff , but apart from that , all good .
Speaker 1You're living the dream . Joe's a bit of a shell .
Speaker 3Slight shell . Yeah Went to watch West Ham Ipswich on saturday , which was uh good fun , and then , um , yeah went to the nfl yesterday . So new york jets versus minnesota vikings . So yeah vikings won , which we were disappointed about because we were we were jets fans for the day .
Speaker 1But there you go , my knowledge of nfl is not not very good , I'll be honest yeah , me neither .
Speaker 3I do love it , but it's taken me like years almost to get into with all the rules and everything like that , so it's good fun , but yeah , I just can't deal with the stop start .
Speaker 1It's so stop start yeah .
Speaker 2I get that all the advertisements and commercials , all that malarkey and bollocks .
Speaker 1It's just a bit ridiculous but to be fair , the atmosphere before on your story looked pretty mad , to be fair yeah , it was class , but I do get how it wouldn't translate as well to Europe .
Speaker 3It's obviously getting bigger , but I get why people would you've just got to like you've just got to live with the adverse and everything like that and embrace it . But I get why , like a first time watcher , archer would be like this is a bit of a nausea .
Speaker 1Mate , how did Sam end up with a flare there , by the way ?
Speaker 3So we jokingly said because we went to this tailgate with the New York Jets fans before , which is good fun . To be fair , they were like , oh , should we all walk together to the ground ? And I thought , well , it's probably not going to be that lively , so I'm not really that bothered . But then they were like , oh no , come on . And I said , Sam , it would be jokes if they had flares , wouldn't it Like thinking there's not a chance , and literally walking down the street they're dishing them out . I've got videos of them .
Speaker 1It was class .
Speaker 3Singing songs . It was really good actually .
Speaker 1Fair play , then they gave it a good go .
Speaker 3Yeah , big time . So the Jets only have one song , which is J-E-T-S .
Speaker 1Chelsea , Chelsea , Chelsea .
Speaker 3Yeah , they're the Chelsea of the NFL . It's J-E-T-S Jets , jets , jets . Yeah , it actually is . Then yeah , literally . But we were obviously a lot of Brits there , so we were making up our own songs and stuff . The Americans were mind-blown by it .
Speaker 1It's like what , loving it by it ? Pretty funny . So what , yeah , loving it , that's class , I love it . Good stuff , though , and Chalks .
Speaker 2You just had a busy one yeah , man , renovating the house long good vibes , stupid panelling just take about a billion years . And then when the walls aren't straight , it makes even worse yeah , it does and then the team's rubbish as well oh yeah , it's
Speaker 2even worse but the thing is I was so busy doing the house I didn't really actually watch the game , so I'm just kind of blessing the disguise , blessing the disguise . Yeah , all I heard was that we smoked them first half and then second half . We got so complacent and just let them do their thing , chalks .
Speaker 1All I'm going to say is more on that later . Oh yeah , gosh . Right then Chalks , what time is it ? It's bars above the week right , they are getting better Chalkalks as we go . So , Joe , tell me , talk to me .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'll kick things off because I imagine there's going to be a bit of a biggie coming up . So mine , to be fair , it was a biggie in itself . So Friday night , sunderland versus Leeds maybe not literally top of the table , I don't know , but definitely top of the end of the championship clash Two really good sides . Leeds maybe not literally top of the table , I don't know , but definitely top of the end of the championship clash Two really good sides , leeds winning 2-1 in 90 plus 3 or 4 . I'm just checking now .
Speaker 3Yeah , the actual time More or less like last kind of kick of the game 90 plus 7 . 90 plus 7 . There you go . Sunderland player tries to put a bit of a ball in the box . It's a pretty poor attempt . It's an easy catch for Mellier in goal and he just lets it run by him . It was a real stinker .
Speaker 2I still don't understand how it happens Sorry . I don't understand how it happens .
Speaker 3That's 999 times out of 1,000 . He gets that , that and he's at one . He's fluffed it . But I also didn't like there was a junior furpo left back for lead , stormed down the tunnel and I felt that was . I think everyone should be going up to the keeper there because he's generally pretty decent . I think they should be going up to him and consoling him , in my opinion . So I think that was a double balls up there , that's's not a good team they were .
Speaker 2That's poor sportsmanship . I think you want to console your team . I guess Made a mistake . You didn't do it on purpose , or did he Exactly ?
Speaker 3Or did he yeah ? But , rumours are he had Sunderland's or draw . I was going to say check your bet slips .
Speaker 1Double chance , yeah , no , that's bad that , joe .
Speaker 3I was surprised I didn't know Sunderland were doing so well , you know yeah , they look a real side , to be fair , so we played them in the week . Derby got quite comfortably turned over 2-0 . Not that that's like the big test for them , but I did watch them and I thought they looked pretty good . Actually , joe Bellingham , like I know , he's been obviously in his brother's shadow a little bit just because of how amazing he is , but he's actually a right player as well .
Speaker 1He's got a screen ring as well . He was linked with some I think it was Brentford and Brighton in the summer .
Speaker 3He won't be a championship player in the next few years , whether that's with Sunderland or whether that's a move away , because he looks like a real player .
Speaker 1Solid player . Fair play to him . Yeah , that is 90 plus 7 . That is howlers , mate Howlers .
Speaker 2Is that how he's feeling as well , man ?
Speaker 1Well , it depends if he did have it in his bed slip or not .
Speaker 2I've had stinkers as a goalkeeper when I was younger , and I'm pretty sure I've had stinkers as a goalkeeper when I was younger and I'm pretty sure I've done something similar like that and it's not a nice feeling .
Speaker 3It's not . I watched the overlap with Peter Schmeichel in it and he's talked about actually the best players . It separates the good and the great how you react to a mistake . So , yeah , that'll be a bit of a mark . If he drops another Klanger next game , then maybe he's not reactive , but that'll be a bit of a mark if he , uh , if he drops another clangor next game , then maybe he's uh not reactive .
Speaker 1But I'll be honest , I think he's had quite a few like howlers in the past and he seems to keep going .
Speaker 3So I think he , I think earlier on he did . I mean , obviously I'm not a leeds fan , quite the opposite . But the um , I think at the start he was a bit questioned and then actually he was pretty solid . I think even the premier was a goalie . He was a bit questioned and then actually he was pretty solid .
Speaker 2I think Even in the Premier League he was a goalie . He was 19 years old when he started playing for them , so he was a young goalkeeper .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , for sure , do you know what I mean . I'm , again , not a massive Leeds fan but to be fair , he's a pretty decent goalie overall , Decent enough .
Speaker 1Still a ball's up enough . It is still a ball . It's a big ball though . It is Right , chalks onwards .
Speaker 2Yeah , man Right . The next one is young James Ward-Pras against Chelsea on the weekends , which I didn't realise . He played for Nottingham Forest . When did that go through ?
Speaker 1I think it was deadline day . I think it was deadline day , I think it was deadline day .
Speaker 2I think it was deadline day . He's on loan now , isn't he ?
Speaker 1Yeah , yeah , mental he's dropped off boy Should never have left Southampton . Mate Grass is not always greener , do you see ?
Speaker 3Yeah , but you know Good , sign in for it . I know obviously messed up this week .
Speaker 1But overall , annoyingly , it's a pretty decent sign in for Forrest
Post-Match Analysis and Future Prospects
Speaker 1. Yeah , I was going to say Fugio .
Speaker 2He was not happy . So what he'd done was he kind of slipped and Nicholas Jackson was on the way , looked like he was through at goal , and then decided to snatch the ball with his hands .
Speaker 1Literally just grabbed it . The best bit about it was he just stood up , walked off the pitch , he didn't even look .
Speaker 2Yeah , because he knew , he knew , and fair enough . I think he didn't even like it . Yeah , because he knew he knew , fair enough . I think a lot of people would do the same and look , they got a point out of it still , because they were able to firm it .
Speaker 3But Gerrard should have learned mate Taking tips Too soon , straff Too soon , too soon . So I didn't actually see this . Obviously , I was out and about on Saturday . What was the score in the game and what minute was it ?
Speaker 1it was 1-0 in like the 68th minute , I think . Let me check . And was he going one on one , jackson ? I reckon there was cover , I reckon cover .
Speaker 2I don't think so .
Speaker 1He and he's rapid he is rapid , he is rapid I reckon he would have been through and gone and probably missed 78th you had a good 12 minutes and extra time to try and squeeze a goal . I don't know how we didn't win that .
Speaker 2But I tell you what Cole Palmer's turn Did . I flick , oh , flick , that's it . Oh , my goodness . Mate obscene , Obscene I don't know how he does it .
Speaker 1He's so good , but I just oh , I don't know how he didn't win . It's two points dropped for sure .
Speaker 3But , mate , for us to look decent this year I don't know if you can cover your ears , but for us to look decent this year , like some good annoyingly , they've got some really good players that Maria centre-half really good Gibbs-White Surely Gibbs-White's pushing for a move , maybe because he's such a good player , mate there was one bit with Gibbs-White .
Speaker 1he literally just ran straight for our team and I was just looking at him . I was like what , yeah , he's close . I was actually mugging Forrest off when they spent so much on him , but he's actually turned out to be a good player for him , to be fair yeah , absolutely .
Speaker 3What happened with all ?
Speaker 2the , the slams , oh mate referees oh my god , right .
Speaker 1Nico Williams , yeah , kicks a ball past Cucurella and runs after it . Cucurella like blows him and he gets the ball's going harmlessly out of play . Cucurella's in front of him . Nico Williams just pushes Cucurella into Maresca . Maresca's flying over Maresca , falls over Cucurella's on the deck right , so it all kicks off .
Speaker 3Cucurella gets booked and Nico Williams gets booked wait , why didn't Kukere try and help up his manager ? He literally just started complaining immediately .
Speaker 1He was on the deck , to be fair .
Speaker 2Then he jumped up and started moaning and screaming and whatever . And then you just see Colwell just stomp over and start gripping him .
Speaker 1I rate that though , back your teammate , you know .
Speaker 2Yeah , for sure . I mean he got shafted , but it's fine .
Speaker 1No , he did not . He got shafted .
Speaker 2I think it was actually that Mitch absolutely just went and he was trying to move and he weren't moving .
Speaker 1I couldn't believe it . I was fuming . But yeah , no it . But yeah , nah , it was definitely points dropped , definitely points dropped . But moving on to more points dropped , yeah , it's not good . It's not good , mate , is it ?
Speaker 2like I said , I'm glad I didn't get to watch the game because I know I'd have absolute head loss .
Speaker 1So I honestly yeah , the first half I was actually fuming how comfortable it was for you . I was like this is mental . Brighton are actually a decent team and you actually did a job on them .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1And then the second half came out . You could tell straight away it was like a bit of a different game , but still you were in control .
Speaker 2And then what was the turning point ? Did the players look complacent ? Or they were just because , like I'm not being funny , like defensively , if you go through it , like individually , I like maybe I'm being biased , but I think they're very good . But what I'm hearing is that obviously Udogi was the problem for two of the goals dead .
Speaker 2Really bad game for him , really , and I think he's . The thing is , when he's on form , he's unbelievable , but if he plays slightly bad , he is shit . Do you know what I mean ? He gets caught out positioned like he goes because he's supposed to be this inverted wing back , yeah , and pushing up and being in the centre , mid role , but I feel like he loses the ball quite often .
Speaker 1I think the first goal . I kind of felt a bit sorry for him because , like I think the ball got crossed in and I don't know who it was there was a defender in front of him and it looked like he was going to clear it , but he didn't , and so it kind of just came at him and he's just not connected at all . And it looked like he was going to clear it but he didn't , and so it kind of just came at him and he's just not connected at all and it's just gone to Minta and he's just smashed it . It was a nice finish , to be fair .
Speaker 2It's just one of them ones . I think it's just like Mate the thing is you lot .
Speaker 3Go on , it's like inevitable , Like a goal goes in and you're just like they're going to crumble yeah , it feels like a bit of a mentality , I think , because what immediately came to mind for me was that did you both watch the Leicester game ? Was it the first game of the season for Spurs ?
Speaker 3second game for Spurs , yeah yeah , yeah , and you absolutely peppered . I know it's Leicester and they're not . It was mad . And then something just flicked in the game for no reason and then they were kind of all over you a bit and then obviously equalised . So that's five points dropped that body went clear again as well . He did , yeah , but Vardy missed a really good chance . It was a good save from Vicario .
Speaker 2So that's five points dropped there , and it must be so frustrating as a Spurs fan oh , 100% the same breath , where we're so used to it kind of being that way for quite a few times . It's like we'll play , we'll , we'll battle teams and then it'll just come back and then bite us in the ass because we think we're so good and then bottle it . Do you know what I ?
Speaker 1mean it's so annoying , just you're just numb to the pain now honestly , man , and the thing is doesn't make it Obviously .
Speaker 2I think the way we do play and when we play well , it's exciting and it's fun to watch , but obviously it has its downfalls .
Speaker 1I think Sandra's wrong man to say this whole second season . You win the trophy .
Speaker 2I was going to say that as well , but you've got to believe in your own source in the day .
Speaker 3Yeah , but just feels like putting a lot of pressure on though , doesn't it ? Are you still in the League Cup ? Yeah , I think so yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , you nearly lost that . You nearly got knocked out by Coventry , didn't you ? That's it . Yeah , it lost , though you nearly got knocked out by Coventry didn't you that's it .
Speaker 3Oh yeah , it feels like you get to later rounds and it's going to be like well , if you lose , he's going to get questioned straight away . Oh , you've got two trophies , now you can win , or do you know ? What I mean so yeah , I don't know if it was the wisest thing to say personally , but I get what you no way .
Speaker 1Europa League , maybe , maybe who else is in ?
Speaker 3who are the other top teams in the Europa League ?
Speaker 1well , the only thing is oh Christ my mind's , do the ? Do the Champions League clubs drop down anymore ?
Speaker 2no , no , hmm , I could so we're favourites to win the Europa League . How mental is that ? By the way ?
Speaker 1I'm just checking what teams are in it .
Speaker 2So my mentality is , joe , is that if we win at least one trophy , if then we're up in life .
Speaker 3Yeah , it's a successful season . Yeah , 100% Shall we ? It don't matter , we're like where we've been in life .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's a successful season . Yeah , 100% Shall be . It don't matter . We're like where we've been in the last what 10 years of like , like getting close and then dropping off and then getting close .
Speaker 1A bit more than that mate .
Speaker 2Yeah , maybe more you know yeah .
Speaker 1Right , mate , to be fair , the teams aren't good . Mate . To be fair , the teams aren't good . There's Lazio , lyon , spurs , I don't even know FCSB , stalbukarest Okay . Anderlecht , ajax , frankfurt , galatasaray . Ozyman's going to kill you . Midgetland , slavia , prague .
Speaker 2Midgetland .
Speaker 1Athletic .
Speaker 2Bilbao . Decent team . To be fair , what's ?
Speaker 1his name Inaki Williams no , joe's going to kill you . Fenerbahce , mourinho's going to do it .
Speaker 2I don't know .
Speaker 3I don't know what I think Lyon are good as well actually they are and they aren't .
Speaker 1They're a weird team man very weird like that 8th in .
Speaker 3League 1 . They feel like they could hurt you , though .
Speaker 2Yeah , one off for sure , let's have a look . Who have we got ?
Speaker 3Yeah , I mean , I can see why Spurs are favourites , united 21st at the moment .
Speaker 2So we've got AZ Alkmaar , then Galatasaray , then Roma , then Rangers , hoffenheim , elfsborg and that's it .
Speaker 1Mate , elfsborg and that's it mate Elfsborg just beat Roma , to be fair yeah , but Roma are poor man .
Speaker 2Yeah , they are yeah .
Speaker 3Porto not bad yeah that's a winnable competition , to be fair and then the FA Cup is kind of down to how hard will the top ? Well , really , how hard will the top couple , how hard will City and Arsenal go ? Because really , if you play City in the semis and the final you've got to say they'll probably beat you .
Speaker 1We said that about United last year in the final .
Speaker 3We do , but City should have still won to be fair . But no , it's a good point . Look , spurs could win . Any could beat anyone in the Premier League on one given day . Proved that over the last few years beating City at the Etihad and obviously United away the other day . So you absolutely could . I just let's see .
Speaker 1Basically , yeah , no fair .
Speaker 2I just think at the moment Spurs are like they're just inconsistent , Because that would have been our sixth game in a row , but we won .
Speaker 3But obviously Sure . It's a question what would be a like , realistically , what would be a really successful season , like league position and obviously , which trophy or trophies , maybe , or maybe it's a bit ambitious Charmy , yeah , maybe it's a bit ambitious .
Speaker 2Charmy . Yeah , maybe it's a bit ambitious , one at a time . Yeah . So you've got to think about progression , really , don't you ? So like from where we were last year , was what fifth or sixth , fifth ? Fifth , yeah , fifth . So naturally , if if we were , obviously we're not going to win the league . So if we got one , we got better than fifth this year . But if we didn't and won a trophy , I still think it would be just as good yeah , an FA Cup in the fifth place again .
Speaker 3I don't think anyone could go .
Speaker 2Spurs are underachieved there because there's some good sides obviously in the league still exactly , or even the league still Exactly , or even for me , because , yeah , I mean , even if it was fifth again and a Cowboy Cup for me , personally , I think that's still . We're still like we haven't dropped from the progression in a sense of the league . It's kind of maintained , but we've won a trophy , which is the whole point of the game .
Speaker 3I agree with that . I think you can't put a price on and obviously I've got no experience of this at all but like johnny going to wembley lifting the trophy , like you've won , something like I don't think you can put a price on that in terms of , like , what it does to the , the club and the team , um , so I I agree with you , to be fair we'll see just typical Spurs mate the worst .
Speaker 1One of the lot was sacking Mourinho before final .
Speaker 2I'll never never understand it me neither , but really and truly we weren't going to win either way mate , you got a chance with Mourinho , with Ryan Mason .
Speaker 1You've not yeah , I know , I know , I know what you mean .
Speaker 2It's just it's just mental . I don't understand why he done it no , I don't either . I've no idea probably just like a . What do you call it ? Just getting the excuses in early yeah , or getting high and mighty , you know chucking Mourinho off his high horse .
Speaker 1I don't know yeah fair . Do you know what I mean ? It is what it is Right .
Speaker 3Can we also very , very quickly give a shout out to DatGuyWelbs , because Absolutely flying by the way 34, . He's hit a right purple patch and he's a fair man .
Speaker 1Absolutely flying you flying that ? Was good yeah they're saying big up to them fair play yeah , absolutely alright , joe , we're going to move on , who can we have another shout out yeah for Brendan Johnson 6-6 .
Speaker 2What a bloke hit form to be fair to him what a bloke good finish I've been in my ultimate team on FIFA gosh , I like him now .
Speaker 3he's what a bloke . Good finish . I've been in my ultimate team on FIFA . Gosh , I like him now .
Speaker 1He's at Spurs as well , yes , get it . Idiots galore , right , joe , we're moving on to your .
Goalkeeper Comparison
Speaker 1Would you Rather round ? So we said obviously you did me and Chalks last week . Yeah , the only difference is you did do like players linked to our clubs . Yeah , you did say last week not to do a derby player , so I haven't yeah , just because I don't think people would really relate to it , I've gone really rogue love it , but I think it's quite a good one at the same time . So I've done Emmy Martinez for Aston .
Speaker 3Villa . I like that , so my would you rather player is Emi Martinez .
Speaker 1Emi Martinez Chalks . Obviously we're allowed to chip in as well , but Joe gets first dibs on the answer . Yeah , okay , Right , we're going to start off quite slow . And I've got to get his name up . It's Georgie Mamadashvili , you know , I've got to get his name up . It's Georgie Mamadashvili , you know the . Georgian goalie , so we've got him first . Yes , just sign for Liverpool .
Speaker 3I actually think he's a bit of a cat , to be fair , but look , Martinez , there's not that many better than him . Actually , in my opinion , he's a really good goalie . Well essential to the World Cup as well , yeah , has he won back-to-back Copa Americas as well ?
Speaker 1and he's been like . The thing is , he's not just like oh , he's there , he's been like pivotal as well , so absolutely and obviously for Villa Villa .
Speaker 3He's a big part of their success . So yeah , for that , definitely , martinez , but shout out to the Georgian goalie .
Speaker 2What's the name ? Mama Delechili , mama Dashvili , mama Dashvili . What a player , by the way .
Speaker 1Mate out of the Euros . He was insane , he's great Liverpool manager . He becomes a top goalkeeper there you go , liverpool fans are hoping he does as well , you know .
Speaker 2Yeah , man .
Speaker 1So , George , are you Martinez ? I'm still with me . I'm still with me . Agreed , Right moving on to Premier League goalie Nick Pope .
Speaker 3I think it's easy , but Pope is Pope should be better than he is now , shouldn't he ?
Speaker 2Yes .
Speaker 3Yeah , maybe I think he's still a good goalie , but it's got to be Martinez .
Speaker 1Yeah , I agree . What I found mad was when he was doing all these bits at Burnley and then he got the move to Newcastle . I didn't realise how old he was , I thought he was like well , I thought he was just a youngster at Burnley , kind of came out of nowhere , but he was actually like I think he's now what , 28 , 29 ?
Speaker 3Oh yeah , but for a goalie , that's still .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's one of those ones where , like now , it's normal because he's quite big and stuff and established , but no , he's 32 actually , to be fair , but still young . But I think when he was at Burnley I was like , oh , this is like he's . I think he must have been about 28 , 29 then .
Speaker 3Then , to be fair , yeah , in fairness , I thought he was like 22 at Burnley . That's what I mean .
Speaker 2yeah , yeah , yeah so it's mad but fair all right , so we're taking Martinez again yeah , chokes , correct , correct , correct .
Speaker 3Right that's true , and bad .
Speaker 2I think Nick Pope is just a bit lethargic .
Speaker 1I think he's too big , he's got a mistake in him .
Speaker 3You know he's been injured as well . To give him a little bit of slack true , true , right .
Speaker 1Number three is a weird one because not the most well known name , but come off the back of an insane season and it's Lucas Heradecki , from Bayer Leverkusen yeah , I actually think he's probably been quite good for quite a while , yeah , but just not very well known , is he ?
Speaker 3Do you know what ? He's maybe been at a level not at Martinez's peak . He's maybe , weirdly , been at a level for longer than Martinez has in his career , and that is a maybe , because I don't know that for sure , but I think he's been a really good performer for them for quite a while . But it's got to be Martinez .
Speaker 1I'm just thinking through , like how long I've played ultimate team and how long he's always been at Bayer .
Speaker 3Leverkusen as well sure yeah , yeah , and they've always been like a solid enough side . So shout out to him , because is he Finland's goalie ? He's finished yeah , 34 okay , yeah , he's a really solid keeper , right .
Speaker 1So he was at Frankfurt in 2015 . Yeah , played there for three years and then went to Bayer Leverkusen 2018 . So seven years not bad . This is his seventh season no , really solid , martinus . Martinus , still that makes sense , right , a bit of a weird one . We're easing up to the big ones , yeah yeah .
Goalkeeper Rankings and Comparisons
Speaker 3Vicario from Spurs easily , martinus easily , probably the easiest one . Yeah , really I think Vicario's a little bit overrated , to be honest fair enough , fair enough that's wrong .
Speaker 2He's not overrated at , to be honest , fair enough , fair enough , that's wrong . He's not overrated at all At all . Shot stopping unbelievable when he wants to . Distribution is very good as well , much better than Lloris , than we had before . No , he's pretty good . You don't even know how good his distribution is .
Speaker 1All you know is he's a shit-ass very good at shortstopping as well , by the way yeah , I think Vicario's better than him . Sorry , that's mental what shortstopping guaranteed he's better than Emi Martinez yeah , for me absolutely 100% are you saying you take Vicario over Martinez ?
Speaker 2no , because all round Martinez is better , but shortstopping 100% he's better .
Speaker 1You said shortstopping because all round Martinez is better , but shot stopping 100% he's better . You said shot stopping and distribution Vicario is better so Martinez is just no .
Speaker 2I said distribution , he's very good , I didn't say he's better but you said you don't know about Martinez's distribution yeah , I don't know .
Speaker 1We were just talking about Vicario you're waffling no , you haven't right , so you would take Martinez . So you would take Martinez no , I'm taking Beccario . Joe's frozen because he's about to leave . He's not even frozen , he's just disbelief .
Speaker 2I mean , listen , I think we're all entitled to our opinions in the day , lads , and you know we certainly are . And I think we're all entitled to our opinions in the day , lads , and you know , and I think Joe's yours wrong , so you may go on , is Vicario a top five goalie in the Prem . I'd say he's top five in the Prem .
Speaker 1to be fair , He'd be pushing it if not . Yeah , I'm just trying to think . I can't really think off the top of my head , right now .
Speaker 3I mean , maybe I'm probably doing him a disservice here . He is pretty good , but I think , Martinez , is comfortably better .
Speaker 2They're not even on the same level , in my opinion , anyway . So no , yeah but it because I think he's a loser .
Speaker 1His head's absolutely gone .
Speaker 2No , it hasn't actually Right . What can you do to talk waffle ?
Speaker 1Right England's number one , jordan Pickford .
Speaker 2Oh , it's got to be Martinez For a split second there , Joe , I thought you were going to go for Pickford there . I didn't .
Speaker 3I was about to leave . No , that would be fair for you to leave now . I actually think . Pickford for England . I think he's been really solid . But even internationally Martin has been better because he's won stuff . He's won stuff , yeah , and contributed , so it's actually just a no-brainer .
Speaker 1No-brainer , no-brainer .
Speaker 3I do quite like Pickford yeah fair , fair , fair .
Speaker 1Alright , I was going to go down another one , but let's do one more , because he's a very good goalie , jan Sommer .
Speaker 3I think he's a bit underrated . He's very underrated . He's a very good keeper . He's an absolute cat . I do actually like him . You know , martinez is just probably . He probably is like in the top five goalies in the world at the moment . Though , yeah , honestly , right .
Speaker 1Yeah , ganes is just probably . He probably is like in the top five goalies in the world at the moment though , yeah , honestly Right , yeah , I mean I would still do that , but I think Tomer is very underrated to be fair .
Speaker 3No , he is , and he never got like the big move . He went to Bayern for a bit when Neuer was injured . It was a bomb , yeah , so Killed him , yeah , but he had another one like at a high level for a lot of years .
Speaker 1He was at Inter now . Wasn't he Inter now doing well yeah ?
Speaker 3Okay , that's closer than we think , maybe , but I think it's still Martinez yeah yeah , agreed , right interesting , now we're spicing it up a bit Okay .
Speaker 1David Rea yeah .
Speaker 3David Rea , I think it's still comfortably Martinez I mean I agree , but you've got to admire it . At the moment he's doing it for Arsenal he's not done it for long enough to be better than Martinez . But tell you what , right this second he's not a million miles . Right this second he's not a million miles off him . But I would still go , Martinez .
Speaker 1We're doing this now . This is like current .
Speaker 3Yeah , I would still go Martinez . I still think Martinez is performing well , but Raya has actually been unbelievable this season . I think he's better than Vicario .
Speaker 1Yeah , fair , yeah , he is Fair . Wait a minute Chalks . What do you think ?
Speaker 2I agree with Joe .
Speaker 1I got it from there .
Speaker 2Thank you , and everyone else can see it now , so it's not me just nodding to you , fair , fair fair Right , psg Gianluigi Donnarumma .
Speaker 1He's got his PSG half-zip on as well , so I quite like Donnarumma Won the .
Speaker 3Euros . Yeah , I do think he's pretty good . Actually , Would Villa swap him Probably not . I'd say no yeah . Would , PSG swap . Maybe they'd consider it . So I'm going to say Martin is based on that logic .
Speaker 1I like the logic .
Speaker 3Yeah , that's good logic , yeah , but I actually think Donnarumma is like he might be a tad underrated .
Speaker 1Actually , I actually think he was like this yeah , when he was younger , and now he's kind of just like Blassoed a bit . I feel like he hasn't hit his full potential .
Speaker 2I think he's overrated . Personally , I think I agree with the whole like the hype that he had when he was at Milan and then , as soon as he went to PSG , fallen off .
Speaker 3Yeah , was out in Milan and then , as soon as he went to PSG , fallen off . Yeah , do you know as well . I think he's at the wrong club . Yeah , I agree , it's hard to cooperate with PSG that club are just like .
Speaker 1They're just done .
Speaker 3Now they're finished honestly man yeah , serious rebuild , isn't that needed mate , but they they're missing all these youngsters and they've just died .
Speaker 1I mean now Mbappe's gone . You look at their team and you're like it's not as good , yeah you do think that I think they've got really good potential youngsters like Barcola . I like him yeah good potential , but you've gone from having Neymar , messi and Mbappe to now Barcola , dembele and Colomwani .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 3They might have the best full-back pairing in the world , though . Just saying .
Speaker 1Nuno Mendes . And who's the right-back ? Hakimi , hakimi , hakimi . Yeah , good player .
Speaker 3I watched them with Arsenal and they looked like a real threat , those two .
Speaker 1Mate Mendes . I think Mendes is so underrated .
Speaker 3Yeah , he's quality . Yeah , he's absolutely electric . Yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , fair , all right then . So we're still on the Martinez track . He's not lost one yet , is he ? No , he's not . This one's interesting because I actually think he's just generically more hyped .
Speaker 3I've never actually really watched him play that much jan oblak um well , I don't know how good he is right this second , but at his peak he was better than Martinez . I think he was the best goalie in the world . I don't know if Martinez , I don't think Martinez is the best goalie in the world , so right now I'd maybe go Martinez , just based on age , potentially but , I don't know , or Black , I'd say . Martinez has won more , hasn't he ?
Speaker 1he's won the league but or black , but it's yeah . I mean internationally you can't really judge Paul Barth , yeah he's been on the biggest stage , though .
Speaker 3Martinez , you know what , all time I'd go , I'd go all black , to be fair , because I think he's probably a little bit underrated . He's loyal to Atletico , yeah .
Speaker 1Been in a couple of .
Speaker 3Champions League finals . He's actually got a really good resume . To be fair to him , yeah , fair .
Speaker 1fair , it's not like the goalie can only have a certain impact of course Fair , it's true , right , we're going quite a dramatic jump now , up , Up , yeah , manuel Neuer .
Speaker 3Manuel Neuer now . Now , honestly , I'd probably go . I really like Neuer Like kind of changed the game a bit as a keeper . Got to go Martinez , though currently I don't think Villa would swap him and I think again , I think Bayern , just based on age , age , might consider swapping . Yeah , but all time , look obviously Neuer . Neuer's won the World Cup champion , he's won everything , so he might be in like the top three or four best goalies of all time . But right , this second I'd have to say Martinez fair what do you ?
Speaker 1two think it's mad because it was like similar to last week with the part . It's mad because it was like similar to last week with some of the Palmer things like , as it was coming out of my mouth , I was like it just doesn't sound right yeah . I do think , martinez , because , like you said , I don't think I think Bayern would probably look to look at that if they had the option . Yeah , martinez , yeah , no , I agree , but all time yeah , like we said , all time .
Speaker 2No brainer , obviously , but yeah it's interesting because we always seem to go back on the whole . You know the winning things and obviously it's a team game , but if you think like individually , as like a player like what we were saying before , with like Jan Oblak , it's a team game .
Speaker 2But if you think like individually , as like a player , like what we were saying before , with like Jan Oblak , I mean the times that I've seen him in the big when you say the big stage , in the finals , if they lose or whatever and in the times I have seen him play , naturally he's got everything . But you say currently , now , because where we haven't seen him as much , we're going to go for Martinez .
Speaker 1So it's kind of like , but I just think , I personally think Martinez is like amazing , I think he's top .
Speaker 3You know , like Joey said earlier , I think he is top five in the world but also I think Oblak's peak is higher than Martinez's peak well , we don't even know if Martinez has hit his peak quite possibly not , but right now , like yeah , but I'm saying again , I'm saying like Oblak at one point probably was considered the best goalie in the world . Yeah , it's true , like everything Martinez ever has , even like after the World Cup and everything like that . So , yeah , fair fair right ?
Speaker 1okay , now we are really . This is the big three in my opinion , yeah okay so big three in my opinion . Yeah , okay , so Edison .
Goalkeeper Comparison Discussion
Speaker 3I would take Edison City , would not swap Edison City wouldn't controversial .
Speaker 1Edison's main trait is his passing , yeah , and his ball playing ability in general yeah , I actually don't think he's very good at one on one saves and his ball playing ability in general yeah , I actually don't think he's very good at one on one saves no , he's got .
Speaker 3He has got a mistake in him as well .
Speaker 1But the mistakes because of , like , the way they play . It's just like so high risk . But I think , like , if it came down to it , edison doesn't make that save in the final against Kodomwani .
Speaker 3At Martinez .
Speaker 1Yeah , no , no .
Speaker 2I think he does to be fair Nah .
Speaker 3Sorry , edison , wouldn't make that save . Wouldn't make that save . Yeah , I think he does . I don't know .
Speaker 1You see , I really rate Edison a lot , but I do think I think if you put Edison in another team , I don't think he gets the same plaudits .
Speaker 3I actually think that's right . I probably actually am going to take it back , I think , just as a goalkeeper , martinez probably is actually better .
Speaker 1I'll take Martinez over here .
Speaker 3I'm going to change my mind and say Martinez , I'm a bit biased towards City . I like City , so maybe that's why I originally said it , but I actually think you're right , shroff .
Speaker 1I think Edison is insane as a goalie . He's a brilliant goalie , yeah , but I just think Martinez gives you more .
Speaker 3As a goalkeeper .
Speaker 1I think you're right .
Speaker 3Martinez gives you more . He's a goalkeeper .
Speaker 2I think you're right , I disagree .
Speaker 3Well , he's a penalty saver as well . Like you've got to say , he's proven as a good penalty stopper . That's a big thing , 100% , and I'm not saying anything's bad , but I wouldn't say he's renowned for it Is he .
Speaker 1He's not known for that is he .
Speaker 2It's not the only thing . Obviously it's a big thing , but penalties aren't the main .
Speaker 1I bet it can when you're a World Cup , my bro .
Speaker 3Yeah , but he's everything else as well than Martinez . I'm just saying that's one example . I think he's everything else as well . He probably can play out of his feet as well .
Speaker 1Yeah , I don't think he's bad with his feet at all .
Speaker 3No Fair , so it's 2-1 there yeah , yeah fair , so there's 2-1 there , yeah yeah , so technically he's still unbeaten . Martinez , technically he's still unbeaten right , courtois yeah , courtois , yeah , I'd say , I'd say Courtois .
Speaker 2Actually it's closer than you'd think , but Courtois is amazing very interesting because , look , you've gone on the basis of you know right now and surely you know you would kind of go with Martinez , I thought both of you really , because I mean like if , if you know , regarding if Emi Martinez was playing for Real Madrid . Both of you really , because I mean like if , if you know , regarding if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if , if another club say like Aston Villa , yeah , I don't think he does he got it at Chelsea and not very like .
Speaker 1We had a lot of shit players .
Speaker 3He was amazing at Chelsea and he's been consistently amazing for .
Speaker 1Real Madrid and he dislodged Petr Cech .
Speaker 3What about that Champions League final performance against Liverpool ? That was incredible .
Speaker 2I mean , they're still , they were still a top team . Do you know what I mean ?
Speaker 1yeah , but you're part of that right , but if you're Madrid again , like we've been kind of judging a few of these if you're Madrid , are you swapping Courtois for Martinez ? Nah , probably not , whereas I think if you ask Villa if they wanted Courtois over Martinez they'd say yes , I think they'd pick up the phone .
Speaker 3at least . You know what I mean . I think on some of them you'd be like nah , but I think they did pick up the phone on this one .
Speaker 2I think it's very interesting considering , you know , like the whole notion of like Edison at man City , where they've just dominated the league , they've won the Champions League . Do you know what I mean ? Like it's not as if .
Speaker 1Like but with the Champions League , a lot of those games Madrid weren't like . You wouldn't say , oh , madrid dominated , no , in the Champions League , like Courtois was like so important and I'd actually argue , courtois was like so important and I'd actually argue , I'd argue that they wouldn't have won the Champions League without Courtois in a couple of those seasons .
Speaker 3Yeah , I would agree with that .
Speaker 1Interesting and also that final being number one example . To be fair , he was obscene .
Speaker 3To be fair as well , the best teams also want the best goalie , so it's not like they're already considered good because they play for the best teams . They are also amazingly talented because otherwise they wouldn't sign him in the first place .
Speaker 1Yeah , it's true . It's true , Fair . I don't know if he's disconnected . No , he's not .
Speaker 2It's just more of a sense of You're saying the best team needs the best players , then why did you ? Even choose Martinez over Edison , because clearly they're the best team In the league . No no , what I'm saying is they're not mutually exclusive .
Speaker 3Just because Edison doesn't have as many saves to make doesn't mean he's necessarily good or bad , it's just . It's just the nature of the beast . Yeah , and then , but also in the same breath , he's a really good goalie . That's why he plays for City .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'm just not so sure it doesn't mean like obviously they're an anomaly . I mean like Cole Palmer . Cole Palmer might be like the top three or four best players in the world . He plays for no offense like a good prem team , not amazing . That doesn't mean that . So it's not always indicative of winning and stuff like that . But Martinez has done both internationally . So yeah , and , by the way , martinez could play for Real Madrid if Courtois retired tomorrow , like Real Madrid would probably be in for him because he's so good yeah , fair , fairs .
Speaker 3It's just interesting , you know yeah , I think that's a closer . I think that's closer than people might think . I think that's really like a like a , a really like a small like a a , really like a small margin that I'd pick Courtois personally .
Speaker 1I don't , I don't fear a small margin . I'd take Courtois pretty comfortably over Really Fair Martinez , and I really rate Martinez . But I just really rate Courtois as well and that says a lot , because I think he's an absolute snake , snake . So yeah .
Speaker 3So , chalks , would you be having Martinez though ?
Speaker 2yeah , no , no , I was just trying to be devil's advocate and seeing why you would choose Courtois over Martinez but not Edison over Martinez . But yeah , fair nice I feel points are clear as day . Really . I was just seeing if there was an irregular . What were clear as day , really , I was just seeing if there was an irregularity , irregularity .
Speaker 3Irregularity , yeah , irregularity .
Speaker 2Irregularity , irregularity , irregularity , irregularity . There we go Bash .
Speaker 3You should have got Chalks to do the Georgian goalie as well .
Speaker 1Yeah , what was it again ? No , mamadashvili . Mamadashvili , but see right and lastly , alisson .
Speaker 3I think Alisson's the best goalie in the world .
Speaker 2Yeah , agreed but he what he's prone to making mistakes as well yeah , so's Martin , so's Martin , I mean Martin it's not as much as Alisson .
Speaker 1I think Alison's the best in the world . Man what ?
Speaker 3I think Alison's really really really good what better than better than Courtois ?
Speaker 1yeah , probably I'll take him over , courtois yeah that is mental .
Speaker 2That is so mental . I don't understand your reasonings at all , why I just don't get it . I don't understand your reasonings at all why I just don't get it .
Speaker 2I just don't get it so you'd take Martin as in , I probably would Fair , fair , I probably would . I get the Courtois because of the stature and you know what he's won and naturally he would probably fit in everyone's team , like everyone him . But I'm not sure about allison , you know , I think there's been numerous times where I've seen him like make a mistake , more so than even edison really in my eyes . But no , I don't think so I don't think so either I'm , maybe I'm deluded .
Speaker 2He's also on the you guys are making me feel so you know , I can't believe it .
Speaker 3I actually , I also . I actually think this is closer than someone might think as well .
Speaker 1I think the Martin is that good the thing I can't believe , yeah , is it's taken me four seasons of doing a podcast with you to realise you're deluded .
Speaker 2That is mental no , the fact is right , and I find it even more crazy that you would think that you would have any slight of more of an opinion than me . As you know an ex-semi-professional footballer as a goalkeeper .
Speaker 1I can't believe it .
Speaker 2Yeah , no , I'm guessing man , so you're having .
Speaker 3Martinez , yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah , 100% .
Speaker 3So , chooks , where's Martinez for you In terms of best goalies In the world ? Is he number two ? Yeah ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I feel like he is Considering , considering I'm going off Of right now , and as well as your guys Opinions as well , over Over everyone else that you've said 100% .
Speaker 3Yeah , I wouldn't like die on the hill of arguing against you on that .
Speaker 2to be honest , I think he's amazing the thing is I'm not saying that Alisson's dead , by the way .
Premiership Goalkeeper on Their Day
Speaker 1You are , and it's calm , bro , it's calm .
Speaker 2Don't backtrack now , mate . Yeah , but he has a mistake in him , like every other goalkeeper that we've mentioned , and I think Martin is less likely to make a mistake than he is . Personally , I can't tell you when he made a mistake . Maybe it was in Arsenal , but at Villa .
Speaker 3I mean , the one that stands out to me is against Liverpool last season in a massive game , but Martinez had an absolute clanger for them to go 1-0 . That's just one mistake , but that's just standout to me .
Speaker 2Well , you know what it is , Joe , is that I say a lot of things and I don't remember a lot of things .
Speaker 3That's why you're so good to do a podcast with , though , because you'll chuck out every opinion , which is class .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's how I'm feeling , joe , I mean in the moment . Yeah , it's how I'm feeling , joe , I mean in the moment . You can't deny how I'm feeling , absolutely not , and anything that goes against Struff is right , but Facts to be fair .
Speaker 1Right , Enough of that . So fair point . Oh my God , my mic is all over , oh this is a good setup , yeah what I did for this chat . Oh , this is a good setup .
Speaker 3Yeah , I know You're going to have to cut the mics for them over mate .
Speaker 1I'm going to hold it here now .
Speaker 3Okay , nice .
Speaker 1So what are we thinking for the next section ? It is the On their Day 11 .
Speaker 3I think we do the On their Day 11 and then a few controversial opinions , yeah yeah if you're happy to have you got them prepared .
Speaker 2I've got mine prepared well on the day 11 yeah oh , I haven't got mine prepared . I can I ?
Speaker 1thought that might be the case we've literally been speaking about it all day listen here , guys .
Speaker 2I'm a busy individual and a very high intense job , so unless I have to , I can think them off the top of my head .
Speaker 1Actually , how long did you play football manager for today ?
Speaker 3Good question , this can't go out to his employer .
Speaker 2I'm joking , I'm joking , You're a snake .
Speaker 1I'm going to call you Cordova mate , right , right , right , the chalks is . It's alright , it's all out there for you , isn't ? It yep right goalies , wait how are we going ?
Speaker 2yeah , sorry , go on .
Speaker 3I was going to say we're going 4-4-2 yeah 4-4-2 and on their day can be crossed over slightly with streets , won't forget kind of , but I think on their day , like 11 on like yeah , could be considered not like the best in the world , but like was just insane on their day like these men , proper barclaysman I've got an old premiership .
Speaker 1I have yeah , I have as well , yeah , yeah yeah , fuck it right trough .
Speaker 3Do you want to kick things off ?
Speaker 1yeah , I've gone a bit rogue . I have as well . There's a couple that I'm going to say , but they're lucky to be there , because there's two positions where I'm like these are proper . Like when we're saying streets , don't forget , these are staples . But I just wanted to go a bit different . But Goalie isn't one of them .
Speaker 3So , goalie , I've gone . You see , askeleinen , yeah , that's a good shout , that's a bit Streets , won't forget , because he was quite consistently good , to be fair .
Speaker 1Yeah , true , that's a bit of an RG , but I think as well on his day he was insane , so I'm actually going to match you on that .
Speaker 3And someone else I want to say who's not prepping Ochoa , the Mexican goalie ? Just World Cups , world Cups . Turned up , absolute cat and then don't know what he did for the rest of the season .
Speaker 1I have no idea what he's done . He's probably good for four years . Yeah , it's true .
Speaker 2I swear he's got like six fingers or something that .
Speaker 3I'm pretty sure it was six fingers that's getting a googly , please .
Speaker 1Be true , I'm pretty sure he does please be true .
Speaker 3I'm checking , throw a six finger . You could be right here , by the way no way am I right , jocks ? That is an unbelievable shout . Yeah , he's got six fingers . That's why he's so good blush . Unbelievable shout . Yeah , he's got six fingers .
Speaker 2That's why he's so good .
Speaker 1Mush Mad , isn't it ? I'm absolutely gobsmacked by the way I am what .
Speaker 3Isn't it ?
Speaker 2That's obscene knowledge , Right for my one , though . It's so bait what I'm going to say , I think I'm absolutely speechless .
Speaker 1You're going to say Paul Robinson , aren't you ?
Speaker 2no , I'm not , but I was thinking about him because the streets won't forget when he scored against Watford . But no , mine's even better than that . Mine's going to be Brad Friedel .
Speaker 3I was actually thinking him to be Brad Friedel . I was actually thinking him too fair , but again , I think he's very consistent yeah , and he's so bait as well yeah .
Speaker 1I think , Mark Schwartz is another one . He was , he's been about but get it like I .
Speaker 3I think that's two streets , won't forget , but even that , like he was in the Prem consistently for number one for 15 years . Yeah , it's true , it's true , yeah , fair .
Speaker 1But Brad Friedel was , yeah , top tier , but yeah , fair .
Speaker 2Oh , another one . What's his name ? Rob Green .
Speaker 1The guy .
Speaker 2What a guy , rob Green .
Speaker 1Rob Green . But again , yeah , like like Joe said , he's been about .
Speaker 2I have a feeling a lot of my Barclays men are going to be . Oh , it's first place probably Jolt only because they're crease and on their day they were , on the day they were sick yeah , fair and I that's all I can say right , we'll see , we'll see .
Unsung Heroes
Speaker 1Alright , left back left back .
Speaker 3I am absolutely going to that archives here . Royston Drentha who played for Everton . Real Madrid . He played for Everton and Sheffield Wednesday shout out and he scored just occasionally an absolute belter , and then , other than that , it was pretty , pretty shit . So I'm going to say on his day he was an absolute baller .
Speaker 1I agree . The only thing I will contest you on with that , I think for Everton . I think he was a winger , what ?
Speaker 3do you mean A winger ? Yeah , so I was struggling a little bit with defenders . I put a hold in mid who did occasionally play centre-back Right . No fair .
Speaker 1So you're going in a marauding fallback .
Speaker 3Yeah , for sure , and I think I've got like basically a left-back playing centre-back as well . Fine , yeah .
Speaker 1Fine , fine , fine . You're going to slag off my centre-back big time , but there's method behind it . There's method behind it . My left-back talks . Actually you go first . Karl back of talks . Actually you go first .
Speaker 2Karl Eric .
Speaker 1Edmund , who is that player ? Don't even know who that is . I thought you were going to say Tim Bonda , to be fair .
Speaker 2No , no , he's a right back darling , no . So , eric Edmund , if you want to , if you want to look up his goal against Liverpool , probably , one of the three goals . I've ever seen . Is he a Spurs player ?
Speaker 1he is , he was a Spurs player yeah , so so you've put him in left back because he scored one good goal because it's the Barclays .
Speaker 2What is it ?
Speaker 1yeah , the streets won't forget that , bruv no , but yours literally is on , yours is literally on his one day yes , because he scored Scorimas .
Speaker 2Actually no , can I take it back ? Yes , yes because he scores scrimmage Actually no , can I take it back . Yes , matt Taylor , fair Respect . That that's actually a shout .
Speaker 1I respect that . That one I respect a lot . Yeah , nice Trough , I've got Maynard Figueroa .
Speaker 3Maynard , I've got him centre-half Wait .
Speaker 1I've got him centre-half .
Speaker 3That's a great shout . He's calling up from the halfway line .
Speaker 2Yeah what about Eric Edmund that's ?
Speaker 1oh , he's over for one game no , no , figaro was like he's a goated player man yeah , he played like for Wigan consistently in the prem but he won his game . Iconic , iconic Wigan team , by the way yeah , big time .
Speaker 3But that yeah , so I've got him centre half there you go love it .
Speaker 1I respect it right on to centre half .
Speaker 2Chilts . No , you've got to give me a minute now this is my rogue one , yeah all . I can think of sorry . All I can think of is Spurs players .
Speaker 1So I need to be I need to be sensible here fair , this guy was like he played at the top level for a long time but I feel like underrated and scored so many screamers . And it was alex for chelsea great shot .
Speaker 3I actually like I like that shout of it . Look not , it's not all just like average players . No , yeah , he was actually like quite decent , but on his day he was actually a bit of a world beater , to be fair , wasn't he ?
Speaker 1the thing like he doesn't get the respect because of Carvalho and Terry were our main partnership , but mate Alex played . He was a beast and he loved a screamer as well , so Love that . What have you gone for ?
Speaker 3Well , I've got Figueroa , and then , shall I say , my other centre-half , and then Maddell , who played for Cardiff and for Cardiff . He was absolute dogshit , but then in the World Cup he was a beast .
Speaker 2And into Milan .
Speaker 3And then he madly got a move to one of the biggest teams in Italy .
Speaker 1That's obscene as well .
Speaker 3Yeah , he was a big on-there-day lad . Fair play , I like that one . That's a in Italy . That's obscene as well . Yeah , he was a big on their day .
Speaker 1Fair play . I like that one . That's a good one . Chokes have you got one ?
Speaker 2The one I kind of remember and he seems to always do . Well , what's his name ? Matt Upton .
Speaker 1Matthew Upton . Matthew Upton .
Speaker 2Upton , not Upton . Yeah , Matthew .
Speaker 1Upton Heored against Germany , by the way , yeah in the Lampard game .
Speaker 2He was a centre-back , and the other one is going to be a Spurs player , but I don't know if it's like .
Speaker 1Ledley King . No , I'm joking .
Speaker 2I was going to say Ledley King , really .
Speaker 1Oh , because he never played . Yeah , fair .
Speaker 2Because on his day , that's actually low-key .
Speaker 3A good one , because on his day he was actually probably like one of the best centre-backs in the world , but he was amazing . Everyone raves about him .
Speaker 1He just never played , yeah off the charts .
Speaker 2You ready he consistently played for three top London clubs with his , with his , with his , with his , with his , with his , with his , with his with his , with his with his , with his , with his with his .
Speaker 3That's a good one I think he was a bit too consistent , though I do like I think yeah .
Speaker 1I like that a lot . That's the idea . Fair , fair , fair , yeah , but that's the thing . Yeah , I agree , my other one's a bit rogue . Go on Christopher Samba , qpr .
Speaker 2Oh , what a shout . He got bits at .
Speaker 1Blackburn as well , didn't he Mate , absolute mate , absolute unit , by the way yeah , oh mate , that's actually a great show .
Speaker 3I think his purple patch was at Blackburn , then he went to QPR for the .
Speaker 1It was when QPR like spent a load of money on not very good players as well when they had like Julio Cesar in goal .
Speaker 2Yeah that would have been a great show as well yeah , yeah , nah , he was , he was just amazing .
Speaker 3Win the Champions League yeah .
Speaker 1He was a goat , yeah , goated , right , right back . I've cheated .
Speaker 3Okay , well , I kind of cheated with Royston Drentha .
Speaker 1I've cheated , but go on , I'll go last because I've cheated .
Speaker 3Chalk . Shall we go first ?
Speaker 2I'm going to say Ivanovic , because I've cheated Chalk .
Speaker 3shall we go first ?
Speaker 2I'm going to say Ivanovic .
Speaker 3Definitely not .
Speaker 1I'm not On their day , mate . He was amazing . Yes , on their day , let's not talk about the game .
Speaker 3No , he was Mr Consistency .
Speaker 2I'm so confused what we're supposed to be playing .
Speaker 3So this is someone who generally probably isn't that widely considered to be that good , but occasionally they were just an absolute world leader on their day .
Speaker 2They were amazing . Paul , stelteri , stelteri fair enough ? I don't know when we beat West Ham 4-3 . He scored the winner at the very last minute and it was just unbelievable . Him , him and Steve Malbrank link up Bush .
Speaker 3Steve Malbrank . Steve Muldbrank link up Bush Steve Muldbrank that's a great shot .
Speaker 1By the way , right , I've cheated because I've gone .
Underrated Midfielders and Honorable Mentions
Speaker 1I had to put him in , but he's actually a midfielder , but he didn't fit into my midfield . Come on , rory DeLapp no , that's it .
Speaker 3I think he did maybe occasionally play right back I thought occasionally he did .
Speaker 1Maybe occasionally play right back , I thought . I thought occasionally he did , but mainly he was a midfielder played for Derby as well .
Speaker 3Shout out , did he ? Yep fair is , you know , liam the lap , who's been pretty good , that's his son and he was from Derby's Academy , but we got rid of him when we were yeah he moved to City , didn in the mud , yeah , that's mad .
Speaker 1So there you go . But yeah , rory , the lap had to be , he's got to be in there .
Speaker 3I quite like that to be fair . But again he , so he was actually like probably a bit underrated actually , like for his football ability well , everyone thought about his throws .
Speaker 1That was it yeah for sure .
Speaker 3Nah , it's a good shot . He did occasionally score a banger as well .
Speaker 1Right , that's a solid defense . I like the defense there . Well , mine is . Oh , you always draw a choice .
Speaker 3No , no , no , it's all good . This is maybe a bit of because he probably was just quite not a bad player . Glenn Johnson , I'll rate it . I'll rate it . He scored screamer .
Speaker 1He did play for England as well , so maybe that's not like no , I rate it because when you think of the best right backs in the world , you're not thinking , you're probably not thinking Glenn Johnson no but he got an England call up .
Speaker 3Got England call ups from occasionally just being an absolute baller and he was good for Liverpool as well . So I rate it .
Speaker 1I think that's a good one . Nice right Chalks , left midfield we're going to move into midfield now , yeah .
Speaker 3Let's move into midfield , yeah .
Speaker 2All right , I've got so bait .
Speaker 1by the way , my midfield is just criminally bait .
Speaker 3Yeah , mine is just like the most standard shoutouts , I think .
Speaker 2So for me I think he played left mid . From what I remember , he played for Chelsea actually and Middlesbrough Gronkier .
Speaker 1Gronkierbrough , gronkier , gronkier , jasper . Gronkier Jasper Gronkier now on his day he was a baller mate , that is a great mate it was between that one and Romadal from Pochola the only Romadal is an obscene shout yeah mate . That is that Middlesbrough team , by the way , with Romadal was mad , yeah , that's a cracking shout . Matt .
Speaker 2Hollands , scott Parker mate Romadal .
Speaker 1Now you're thinking you're getting confused with Charlton now , mate yeah , I am damn it but Romadal is such a good maybe he was for a bit he might have been to be fair , yeah might have been to be fair . Yeah , that is an amazing shout . I wasn't sure between them two well , gronkia scored the goal for Chelsea . We beat Liverpool , finished above them , and then Abramovich bought us because of that . So there you go could have been very different without yeah without Gronkia fair play .
Speaker 2There was a few left mids that I could have gone for , but there were two that stood out for me , that kind of like .
Speaker 1Joe , who have you got ? Because I think Chalks is about . I think you're about to say one that I'm thinking okay .
Speaker 3Well , this is the the captain of my team and easily the most on their day player .
Speaker 1Giovanni for Hull awesome yeah , he's on there as well , he's , he's on there as well ?
Speaker 3Have you got him as well ?
Speaker 1I had him or the bait . I think he's one of the most bait as well .
Speaker 3He is for sure .
Speaker 1Yannick Bellassi for me as well , it's a good shout . I thought you were going to say him next .
Speaker 2No , I was going to say Pedro Mendes , but he plays more centre mid . Oh , Pedro Mendes as well .
Speaker 3Pedro Mendes , the shout man .
Speaker 1But Giovanni mate that season for Hull when he scored like screamers , didn't he obscene ? So I couldn't work out between him and Benassi , basically that was mine .
Speaker 3Yeah , benassi's a shout , to be honest my two yeah nice obscene right .
Speaker 1What do we want to do next ? The centre mids or the right mids ?
Speaker 3let's go centre mids .
Speaker 1I've also cheated slightly here , because I don't actually think they were more like flair players , like attacking mids .
Speaker 2But yeah , I've got a few of those as well , to be fair .
Speaker 1The beta as well . I've got three . Two had to obviously go in Morton Guns Pedersen , the beta one to go .
Speaker 2He plays left , mid though .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's like . This is where I've cheated .
Speaker 3That .
Speaker 2Yeah , this is where I've cheated .
Speaker 3That's quite a great shot there . Do both for your Straff .
Speaker 1Right Ben Arfa has to be done .
Speaker 3Straff , you've cheated there . I've got Ben Arfa right wing .
Speaker 1But there's another right winger that is even better than Ben Arfa , okay , fair Right , I'll take one out , I'll take Pedersen out and I'll go Alano for man .
Speaker 3City . I was debating him .
Speaker 1I was debating him .
Speaker 3I'll go Alano . He's got like one of the most aesthetic free-kick goals ever , ever , like a postage stamp .
Speaker 1Unbelievable . Yeah , fair , fair , fair . Yeah , I cheated there , but I'll go Alano then . Fine , right , chalks , have you thought ? Yeah , okay , okay .
Speaker 2Who else wants to go next ? Juninho for when he was at Middlesbrough .
Speaker 1Middlesbrough . Yeah , nice Screamers .
Speaker 2Screamers galore .
Speaker 1Screamers .
Speaker 2And then I was going to say , technically , on his day I think he was unbelievable and it was Stephen Ireland .
Speaker 3That is a shout , by the way . It's a great shout . That is a shout , by the way .
Speaker 2It's a great shout , yeah , but then again he kind of played that kind of attack of him all as well , so I wasn't too sure .
Speaker 1Yeah , but it's like We've got to squeeze him in , you know .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , you know .
Speaker 2Nice . I was trying to think of a defensive midfielder . That is obviously not Mr Consistency , but on his day was good , because obviously you've got players like Gareth Barry . You've got there's like a throwback of John Ovi , mikkel . Yeah , do you know what I mean ? And they're just really and truly they were ballers .
Speaker 3Yeah , barry's got the most appearances in Prem history , hasn't ?
Speaker 1he , yeah , he does .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2So he couldn't be lacking an on their day for sure , because like this is going to be a rascal one , because it's not a throwback , but , like on his day , he was unbelievable and , I think , unstoppable , and that was Moussa Sissoko .
Speaker 3I thought you were going to say Moussa Dembele , because on his day he was maybe like the best people say , like he's the best player they've ever played with .
Speaker 1I was going to say if you'd said Moosey , then , bella , I would have been fuming because you can't be on their date no , because he is unbelievable and he's up there with my favourite player so yeah , he would be like he was actually just really good to be fair , like so many professional footballers say how good he was .
Speaker 2Yeah , literally , he just probably was too lazy and just could be asked , so he stayed at Spurs .
Speaker 1Right , Joe , who's your other one ?
Speaker 3Well , so I've got Bonar for right mid to be fair .
Speaker 1Oh , you put him right mid or centre , mid .
Speaker 3sorry , I'm going to give an honourable mention to . Was it Michael Johnson who played for City ? He was meant to be the next Michael Johnson . He played for City . He was meant to be the next . Yeah , the next best thing . And then he kind of fell off a little bit . Well , massively fell off .
Speaker 1He found booze , yeah , but my two Raval Morrison Right okay .
Speaker 3Because he was actually unbelievable on his day .
Speaker 1He was my laptop's about to die , but keep talking .
Speaker 2No worries , and my other one is Adel Terapt it's such a difficult because like he's more of a right winger striker , but then yeah , I know what you mean like he is a baller and I don't know he's a minor as well , to be fair yeah , because he was .
Speaker 3He was actually just consistently really good , to be fair . So it's a bit of a was he on their day , but on his day he was actually like amazing , wasn't he ?
Speaker 2yeah , well , mate , he was the nutmeg king . What ? What did you say ?
Speaker 3did he ? I'm talking normally . What did you say , did he ? I was trying to get your mic back .
Speaker 1I'm talking normally .
Speaker 2That reminds me when you said about Milan .
Underrated Players and Controversial Opinions
Speaker 2Another throwback . Who ? Kevin Prince-Botin On his day baller .
Speaker 1Yeah , I actually think he was . I think he was a baller , though , like , but he does fall into that on their day as well .
Speaker 3I think he was . I think he was a baller , though , Like but he does fall into that .
Speaker 1On his on their day as well , I think . I think he's on their day , yeah .
Speaker 2I think so , I think you're right .
Speaker 1I think you're right . But right wings , big one then . Oh right , yeah , right wings , I was saying yeah .
Speaker 3To wrap's mind , david Bentley was a shout , great shout , when Derby had that obviously worst season ever . I went to quite a few of the games . David Bentley was absolutely amazing and he got an England call-up as well .
Speaker 1He was top tier , to be fair .
Speaker 2Yeah , does that mean I can say Aaron Lennon ?
Speaker 3Yeah , is he one .
Speaker 2I'd say yes , yeah , no you probably you could just be a more rascal then go on on their day again . Ex-first player soz Andros Townsend .
Speaker 1I was gonna do him because actually on his day it was just like incredible yeah that volley against man City is still probably the best goal I've ever seen , by the way , yeah , it was incredible .
Speaker 3That's actually . I think that's a good shout . And then of one another honourable mention from midfield Oscar . I don't know what you think about that , sean .
Speaker 1No way .
Speaker 3No way , he's not an on their day , nah .
Speaker 2Fair . The thing is he's a baller , so like technically , on his day he's unbelievable , but like he was just awesome . He's one of the ones , like the ones that you forget , like what's that yeah , no , the ones you forget .
Speaker 1I've got an honourable mention . Go on , seb Larson .
Speaker 3Yeah , that's a shout , great shout .
Speaker 1James Ward-Prowse has posters of Seb Larson on his wall , mate that's what I'm saying , yeah yeah right , the big ones striker can .
Speaker 2I just say before we go on here .
Speaker 1Yeah , I think Mitch , who is like the one .
Speaker 3No , he's not because he , he , I , he had one good , amazing season , but I don't know if you'd be on their day because I was thinking the same . Okay , I didn't include him because on their day , because I was thinking the same .
Speaker 1Okay , I , I didn't include him because I was . I thought he was just the one you've always pinnacle for that was it like I've gone proper rogue and I've got three honorable , no two honorable mentions . Sorry , yeah , love it right , I've got roddy agar ciao yeah I've got bubbles again . Why do bubbles keep appearing ? Roda Yeager and Papi Sisse yeah , papi Sisse . I didn't mind but , Yakubu was up there for me .
Speaker 3I wanted to do the yak . I didn't do the yak .
Speaker 1I left him because I was like he actually was quite good I think that's actually harsh to call him that .
Speaker 3Yeah , so I I left him because I was like he actually was quite good . I thought that .
Speaker 1I thought I think that's actually harsh to call him that . Yeah , so I've left him right . Who do you boys ? And then I'll do my honorable mentions after uh , try , ghost rocks , go on son .
Speaker 3So I've gone again archives there .
Speaker 2Johan Almander from Bolton oh , you see that goal , that from Bolton . Oh , you see , remember his goal , that goal that goal Wolves away was quality . Yeah .
Speaker 3And then the other one is actually my vice-captain , because I think he was so on their day . I don't know how he got such good contracts . Nicholas Bentner . Yeah , I kind of get that Because on his day obviously he played for Arsenal for a reason and occasionally he was actually like he was so good , but just generally he obviously just gets mocked for being shit .
Speaker 1he was an idiot , mate . The Paddy Power pants were the funniest thing ever , by the way honestly , guy's a clown . But on his day baller , baller .
Speaker 2Chokes . Well , the players that I'm I'm thinking of or I've thought of , are players that you probably like what you just said earlier about people were to the pieces of how shit he was , but he actually was actually a baller , and that's Emil Heskey , but on a day technically I can't underrate that , to be fair , I actually just think he's underrated .
Speaker 3I don't know if he was . I think he was actually consistently really good . That's why he played so consistently . And then you've got Obafemi Martins . That is a great shout .
Speaker 1That's really good .
Speaker 3Obafemi Martins is an unreal shout . Won the League Cup for Blues .
Speaker 1That's really good . Actually , I rate that a lot , and it was his partner as well Foebeck , zigic .
Speaker 3Zigic . Zigic could actually be a shout for this as well . He once scored four goals away at Leeds .
Speaker 1Zygich mate . I forgot that I've got a good honourable mention Kevin Davis from Bolton .
Speaker 3I was thinking , and I thought it was actually harsh , I thought it was actually consistently not bad for him . It wasn't bad . But do you know ? But I thought he was actually harsh . I thought he was actually consistently not bad for him . He wasn't bad . But do you know what I mean ? He was like he's just there .
Speaker 1One England cap . One England cap and what's ?
Speaker 2that choice . He's weak for Bolton . Oh my God , that's Stapelopoulos .
Speaker 1Yeah , oh my God , stelios Stelios , yeah , stelios Stelios , yeah , stelios mate mate . He was so good , he loved to go against Arsenal as well . He was so good that Bolton team is obscene . Kevin Nolan as well , oh yeah oh yeah top tier .
Speaker 3I have another one but you've got in my head , joe , about Michu Amizaki yeah , I was thinking him , but yeah , it's tough , isn't it ? It's like , oh , what does on their day actually mean ? It's like the streets kind of won't forget so . I'm glad they've all been mentioned . To be fair , yeah , because he's that overhead kick that Amizaki scored like he's not in his locker .
Speaker 1It was incredible yeah , but then he did fall off completely , so big time , yeah , mad though oh that was . I enjoyed that . That was throwback .
Speaker 3How did I not think of him , by the way . We'll try and think of another 11 to do next week that maybe no one's done before or something we'll have a think yeah , I rate it a lot .
Speaker 1All right , a lot right . What is the time ? All right , we've got time , I reckon , for a quick controversial opinion section .
Speaker 3Yeah , let's do it . Alright who wants to go first ? I can kick things off Word of way . This is a real Huh .
Speaker 1I'm far away .
Speaker 3This is a pretty common one , so it might be really quick . Neymar is closer to Ronaldo than Ronaldo is to Messi .
Speaker 1That's too controversial .
Speaker 3It depends what you're talking about . If it's legacy , obviously not , ronaldo is the second best . Well , I think Ronaldo is the second best player of all time anyway , but I don't know .
Speaker 2In terms of ability . Do you believe that statement ?
Speaker 3In terms of ability ? Yeah , I think Messi's . So , in terms of ability , do you believe that statement ?
Speaker 1In terms of ability , yeah , I think Messi's so far away from Ronaldo Interesting , I think he is but I also think , they were both so far ahead of everyone else .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's definitely a controversial one . It is yeah , I can't get my head around it at the minute , because who do you compare with neymar ? Then like below , like oh , how far is neymar to like hazard , or something like that . I don't .
Speaker 3No , that's a good point and , to be fair , Maradona , you'd say , was obviously one of the most technically gifted players of all time , but you wouldn't make that comparison . It's a bit of a weird one . It's obviously just trying to show the gulf mainly . It could be Neymar , it could be Arnijn , but it's mainly to show the gulf between what people think is the gulf between Messi and Ronaldo yeah , I'm not having .
Speaker 2I'm not having . I think that the gap is definitely like it's Ronaldo Messi . I think obviously it's definitely Messi , but like it's much closer than Ronaldo Neymar . Obviously I'm going to say very controversially in my own opinion Neymar is technically better than Ronaldo , like technically technical ability , but obviously everything else .
Speaker 1I just think Ronaldo and Messi are so far ahead of everyone else yeah , fair , I'm not going to argue .
Speaker 3I could kind of see where they're coming from to show the point , but ultimately Ronaldo's actually probably been a bit underrated there . Like , let's not forget , like the guy's fucking amazing . Second best player ever is pretty , pretty big . So , yeah , cool , I thought that would be a fairly swift one .
Speaker 1We actually received another one , and it was Pep Guardiola has killed football as we know it .
Speaker 3I strongly disagree , right ? So if think , if you do , you agree with it .
Speaker 1I don't know why do you think ? No one would say that I think it's become too robotic . Yeah , so you think now how rigid it is . You've kind of lost all those players we're talking about now . Yeah , like before , like the streets won't forget , like they were , just like mad . How often does City score like ?
Speaker 3screamers . I think we're being a bit nostalgic , I think , but that's . I think that City are very individual in that sense .
Speaker 1I don't think everyone's playing like that they're the standard , though , like Arsenal now , they follow the blueprint , chelsea follow the blueprint .
Speaker 3I think Arsenal , chelsea and Spurs , for example , are really excited to watch . I think their wingers have a go , so they don't actually play exactly like City . Like Martinelli , for better or worse , to be fair , loves having a go at the fullback , and so does Saka . Saka , saka actually cooks players all the time .
Speaker 2I just think that obviously I agree with Joe in a sense of the nostalgia feeling of it and where they want to win . So trying to score screamers is it's like the more you do it you're going to give the ball away . So it's more calculated . The demand to be better is so much higher . It's so much more competitive .
Speaker 1So , yeah , I think it's just this whole inverted fullback stuff now was obviously started by Pep it's bloody clever , if you ask me it's clever , but it's also like it has in a way . It's also like it has in a way , he's not killed football , he's killed football the way we knew it . Do you know what I mean ? So , yeah , he probably has . In that sense , he's evolved it .
Speaker 3But also again , Jürgen Klopp . I know they only won it once , but that was so exciting to watch . You used to watch those City-Liverpool games . Actually , Klopp's football at Anfield was prevailing , was it ?
Speaker 3last season like they were all over them . It was so exciting . You had balls over the top , you got Trent spraying it around . So I think if you just watched that City , maybe you'd think that . But I think generally , like there's some really there's some really exciting play and just because we don't have , like I , I think the quality , I think the quality of players this could be another controversial opinion like , well , it's probably not . Actually the strikers that we have now , for example , are just nowhere near what we saw in the mid to late 2000s . So , like what you got harland , I mean there more there were better strikers and a better amount of strikers in the premier league between like 2005, . 2010 is there are in the world right now .
Speaker 1Oh yeah .
Speaker 3I'd agree to be honest and so that that contributes towards it . So yeah , I think it's a bit nostalgic , but I kind of see where you're coming from .
Speaker 1I mean it's not , it's not mine , to be fair .
Speaker 3Oh sorry , I can see where this person's coming from , but I quite like watching City . To be fair , I find it quite entertaining watching them dominate teams with possession .
Speaker 1It does get a bit boring though .
Speaker 2What them winning .
Speaker 1No , no , their style of football is just a bit like .
Speaker 2The thing is , though , like if you had Chelsea doing that and winning consistently , you would be like I wouldn't be complaining , I'm just saying as , like a football fan , yeah , but you wouldn't . If Chelsea were doing those numbers and things , you wouldn't be complaining about how football's dead .
Speaker 1You'd be like no , I'd be backing it up , but Exactly this is the way it is , isn't it ?
Speaker 2No , I agree .
Speaker 3I think , to give City some credit as well . They've actually been involved in some seriously exciting games over the last few years .
Speaker 1The Arsenal City game the other day was brilliant , to be fair .
Speaker 2Look at the City Squares game , when we won 3-2 . Yeah .
Speaker 3So I think they have actually been involved in some exciting games . I think when you watch them against I don't know you watch them against Leicester , for example , or Ipswich . That probably isn't the most entertaining to watch , but probably . I watched Arsenal versus Leicester the other day . It was exciting , but also Arsenal did basically just pepper them for 90 minutes and then they got a couple of goals . So , yeah , I don't know if the United team of 07-08 , which I thought was an amazing side they'd come up against Derby , and really it probably wouldn't have been that entertaining .
Speaker 1No , it's true as well .
Speaker 2That is true as well , yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , you're not wrong , fair , that is true as well .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , you're not wrong . Fair , so it's a controversial opinion . Yeah , I would say so , chucks .
Speaker 2I agree .
Speaker 1There we go , there we have it .
Speaker 2I agree .
Speaker 1Nice Right , Bosh . What do we want to do , boys ? Do we want to call it there and resume next ?
Speaker 3week . I think we call it apart . I've got a couple up my sleeve a couple actually , that got written in that we can save for next week , though , because they'll easily pass over . So , yeah , I think we call it a pod perfect love it , boys love it .
Speaker 1That was entertaining . I really enjoyed that on their day 11 yeah , it was good .
Speaker 3you know what I like doing the Wood Giraffe as well . Maybe we'll come back with another Woodgerava . Yeah , we'll do one each . We'll go back to maybe Chalks next week .
Speaker 1I like it .
Speaker 3And then another 11 as well .
Speaker 1Let's do . It Sounds the plan Right . Well , we'll be back again next week . Hell yeah guys . Bye-bye , bye-bye .
Speaker 2Thank you .